Joe Douglas Pre-Draft Press Conference

Agree. And what if the BPA at every pick is an Edge rusher? Do we take 4 Edges in the first two rounds?

With that said, when you have two incredibly valuable picks and you might consider trading down, then it would be foolish to say that we're going to focus on positions X and Y because that's what we need. Telegraph that we're looking at all the options, so that no one assumes the player they want will be available if they trade the Giants for #5 instead of trading us for #4.

 

Macc would!

 

Is it a good idea to take the BPA (or most 'talented' players available) and let the talents of your players decide the direction of the team, versus drafting less talented players that fit the HC's 'vision' of how the team should look? This is what it comes down to.

For this draft, take Sauce vs Thibs. Sauce is the better player, but Saleh wants a dominant D-line the fucks up the play b4 it can get started and would take Thibs, lessening the need for DBs. But Sauce is the more talented player, so does JD go with Sauce over Thibs and force Saleh to design a defense with a great backfield and an average Dline? Or does JD take Thibs anyway to make Saleh happy and stick with the party line of a great Dline?

 

In 2017, Mahomes was the BPA and Mac didn't take him because he had Hackenberg.

 

He takes Thibodeaux, and correctly.

For the sake of argument, let's assume that Sauce is better as you say. First, that's not a definite, and even if it is, the real question to ask is: who would make the bigger impact down after down? IMO that's a stud DE, NOT a CB (or Safety for that matter, but at least a Safety has more flexibility to roam than a CB and theoretically might be involved in more plays).

Taking a CB with the #4 would be a total Macc move: BPA regardless of team need or overall impact.

 

And that underscores the fallacy of BPA: it's based upon GM's idea of what the BPA is. In Macc's case, first, he was a terrible evaluator of talent in general, and second, he totally ignored team need and positional impact. It's astounding that someone could be paid to be a professional GM and be that bad.

 

I tell you one thing he said that in my view is 1000% the way he conducts his business, with no BS for the media. They have a board based on BPA both vertically and horizontally and they will not deviate from it. He straight out said You don’t change BPA for BPA position of need in your strategy because you end up getting in trouble. So the tenth pick in my view will tell plenty as to how he sees the value of the WR available versus say Edge or CB.

 

Couldnt agree more. A great QB shuta down one receiver. On today's passing game a good QB will just go to his next read. A x then the next. Meanwhile a dominant pass rush takes all of the receivers out of the equation.

In a perfect world you have both, but if I could only have one I'll take the pass rush (edge). I saw one of the best CB's to ever play in Revis but I would have taken Reggie White in his prime any day over Revis.

 

and yet his record was better than our current GM

 

BPA at positions of need or premium positions are the way to go. You can never have enough talented pass rushers, corners, or offensive playmakers (not RB for 1st round).

His comments about "luxury today, need tomorrow" just affirms the idea that Ekwonu will be the pick at 4 if he is there and KT or Hutchinson are not.

 

The Jets spent a lot of money to prop up the team between 2015 and 2019. It's not hard to go 5-11 when you are adding competent players at positions of need even if you are overpaying them by a lot.

 

Because the team's record all comes down to the GM
Come on.

 

Are you seriously saying you'd rather have Macc over Douglas? If so, I have absolutely no response to that.

 

He is, because it all comes down to record, even though Douglas took over Mac's dumpster fire.

 

man you hit the nail on the head!

I HATE Mac…you’re absolutely right…He ignored both team need AND positional impact when he drafted Q while we already had Williams, another highly drafted DT on board. We didn’t need two. And in any case, DT is not typically as impactful unless you’re name is Sapp or Donald. And if he thought that both Leo and Q were as good as those two, then he sucks as an evaluator too.

he ignored positional value AND need again when he took Adams and passed on both Mahomes and Watson.

just a damn god awful GM who cost me years of frustration watching my team.

I HATE that incompetent moron…how someone could consistently waste so many high picks is crazy

and apparently, so does everyone else not named Charley fucking Casserly, because he won’t ever be in that seat again…shit, I don’t even think he’s in the NFL …

 

Could that be because the team had a better coach and players for much of Mac's tenure? Decker was already here before Mac arrived, and Fitzpatrick+Marshall's arrival coincided with the start of Mac's tenure. Weird how teams play better with good receivers and a league average QB than with the worst QB in the league and bad receivers.

Plus Douglas' worst year with us was with the coach Mac hired and the QB Mac traded up to draft. Mac was not a better drafter than Douglas, and I am not the biggest fan of Douglas.

 

I thought that was interesting as well, he also mentioned how a player may be productive in one scheme but not in another.

Everyone thinks Ikem is the pick at 4 if KT is gone, I think it’s Evan Neal, he has played RT, LT, and Guard.

JD also said a position of luxury today may be a position of need tomorrow.

 

Didn't know where else to put this but Travon Walker is now the betting favorite to be the #1 overall pick. Have to think the Lions probably go Hutch if that happens.

 

A mirage of a 10-6 season against a joke of a schedule. Fitz, Decker, and Marshall had career years.