Are we keeping Kyle Phillips?

I wouldn't count on it. They're only going to be able to keep 9, or at most 10 DL. Q, Lawson, JFM, Huff, Martin, and Thomas are locks. They'll almost certainly draft an Edge and a DT and both of them will be locks. That's 8 spots. Shepherd, Rankins, Marshall, Anae, Zuniga, and Phillips will all be competing for 1 or 2 spots.

 

Absoilutely yes, we should be keeping Phillips.

Who outside of Q is good at stopping the run on the interior, now that we've foolishly let Fatukasi walk?
Rankins and Thomas are terrible run stoppers, and we haven't seen Marshall even take the field.

Phillips should be a no brainer.
However, we've seen a very clear pattern by this point that JD refuses to re-sign players here before him.
He must think this approach somehow buys him more time, but it just leads to more losing.

 

Dude, there is no such pattern and you couldn't be any more wrong in your judgment of the situation and JD.

 

i was gonna say the same thing lol like huh

 

Was he suggesting that we should have matched Futukasi's 10 million a year offer? For a player who is not a scheme fit and comes off the field on 3rd down?

I know that unmitigated hate of JD can make peoples logic go haywire. But, given the state of this board the last year there are much worse posts than the one above. We have trolling posts posting complete lunacy all based on them having to justify their assertions in old posts.

The sad thing is many Jet fans have stopped being Jet fans and become hatefull trolls whose only concern is being right. They will cherry pick info and go to amazing lengths to connect dots that simply cannot be connected. Hate is such an awful thing. It has made this forum mostly unreadable for the last 13 months.

 

I know, we should re-sign all the players that got us to where we are today.

 

Since he thinks there is a pattern, it wasn't just about Fatukasi. It was also probably about trading Adams, not re-signing Maye, and all the imaginary great players in his mind that Mac drafted that JD allowed to leave.

 

I am more curious to see if JD will move on from his own picks this year like Davis and Mimms? But he had no hesitancy in cutting Zuniga, dropping Morgan in favor of White.

I think Maye might be a better example for his argument than Futakasi. He tried to sign Futskasi at a reasonable salary. But if you look closer at Maye he did try to sign him last year and it appears they made an effort to sign him this year. Reports came out that the FO really liked Maye and loved his character and work ethic. He is a JD type player. But, it is apparent the issue was not that Maye was a Mac draft pick but that JD does not want to invest money into a 29 year old playing a non premium position. Especially when that player was coming off serious injury. If you look at his signings they are all reasonable fair deals. It has been said by Conner Hughes that JD sets a value wirth for each player and will not exceed that value.

 

Exactly! JD isn't stupid. He's not going to cut off his nose to spite his face by not re-signing a good player that Mac brought to the team, just because he (JD) didn't draft or sign him in FA. As you pointed out, he has a set value in his mind, and most of the time, he's not going to go past that. In Maye's case, not only was he older, coming off a serious injury, but has had injury issues in his career, his play had declined somewhat, and he had that DUI and didn't tell the Jets about it. There was plenty of good reason not to re-sign Maye. Also, not only did he try to re-sign Maye last year, but he franchise tagged him which gave him a higher salary last year than he deserved.

Also, Zuniga is still on the roster.

 

I talked about Zuniga as JD was not afraid to cut him multiple times. I believe he spent a good part of last year on the PS.

 

You're probably right about Zuniga having been cut and being on the PS. I didn't remember that, and had seen recently that he was still on the roster. I definitely think you're right that JD wouldn't be afraid to cut players he drafted that didn't work out.

 

Kyle Phillips has value as a rotational player and some talent. He's never been able to stay healthy (in college too). Hope to see him on this team and not on IR

 

Yes, that's a big part of the issue. The best ability is "availability" and the facts are that he is not generally available. In 3 years with the Jets, he has played in 4 of 15 games, 3 of 7 games, and 1 of 7 games. I don't think they keep him because of that. It doesn't matter how good vs the run he is when healthy, if he's rarely healthy.

 

Not re-signing players, and creating as many holes as we fill, is the reason we are where we are today.
Two steps forward, two steps back.
That's why we haven't been improving, and have even gone backwards to some extent, particularly on D.

 

So you don't think there's a pattern of JD not re-signing anyone on the roster before he got here?
Who has he resigned then that fits that description?
Sheppard is the only one I can think of....after having let Fatukasi walk.

 

Davis will make the team simply because the position has been so depleted.
Zuniga, Perrine, and Mims need to go tho. There's not going to be enough roster space even on the PS to carry dead weight with all these new picks coming in.

JD has shown he is capable of re-signing players that HE brought on tho.
JFM, Berrios, even Griffin once got an extension.

But I called it last year that Maye, Fatukasi, and Crowder would be next to go because JD will not sign previously rostered players.....and JD sycophants like some on this thread said that was nonsense. Yet here we are.
Phillips will be next, followed by Mosley next year, and no way Q gets more than the 5th year option (although JD could be fired by then).
This is why our defense, especially the run D is so bad.

Where's the proof that JD offered Maye or Fatukasi or Crowder, or anyone in previous years, a fair market value contract?
Ive never seen that, and players have reportedly been offended by his offers in the past.
I'm not buying using Maye's age as an excuse, nor injury. He could've been re-signed for cheaper at 27, after Jamal Adams was traded, or even before last season began.

Not sure what a "JD player" is, other than cheap or not previously part of this roster.

 

For anyone familiar with a 4-3 Under, it utilizes a 5tech DE, 1tech NT, 3tech DT, and a Leo.
The 5tech and 1tech need to eat up blockers and fill two gaps while freeing up the LB's.
The 3tech will line up on weakside, generally see only one blocker, and be in position to make a lot of plays.

We had Leonard Williams perfect for this 5tech, Fatukasi for 1tech, and Q for 3tech.
Kyle Phillips was good depth for both the 3 and 5.

That was an excellent basis to build this D around, while adding much needed edge rushers.

Now we just need everything, while we get gashed on the ground and provide no pressure on the QB.

JFM, while a very nice player, doesn't fit on base D, as he's not a 2 gapper.
For that matter Soloman Thomas doesn't fit on base either.
Rankins can play 5tech, but was just really ineffective against the run last year.
I don't know if they just plan on playing Nickel most of the time (they did last year as well), but this D is going to struggle again unless the coaches get creative.
The Jets have turned a strength into a major weakness.

 

If Fatukasi and Quinnen Williams were both good run stoppers, why was the run defense so bad?

Fatukasi was way overrated by this fan base for some reason. He got blown off the ball routinely and never had a clue what to do against a pulling guard.