Has JD really had any success with Free Agency with Jets? Off hand none really come to mind.

I’m pretty sure Osemele and Siemien were Mac signings. I wouldn’t really count Kalil as a dud - JD knew who he was signing he was just a bandaid at that point since center was such a huge hole.

But none of those guys were really signed for the long haul other than Lawson, McGovern, and Fant….

 

He's filling the same holes that Maccagnan was filling, over and over again.

That's not how you build a team and it is one of the primary reasons the Jets have gone from bad to terrible on his watch.

 

If you can honestly look at the signings he’s made this offseason and compare them to anything else on that list then you just want to be miserable. And this goes beyond the fact that the biggest issue we had was poor drafting which is why we had to fill holes with stopgap players. The jury is out but his class last year has been better than any we’ve seen since the Mangold/Brick year.

 

I love the way Brad keeps saying it’s not how you build a team like there is only one way to build a team. Did you not see the defending SB champ Rams who have not had draft picks in years.

It might not have been the way to build a team 20 years ago but in todays NFL you build a team by getting a QB and putting pieces around him any way possible, which is exactly what JD is doing. We’ll see if it pays off.

 

That’s why I said some people just want to be miserable. Or they just want to see their name on the screen so they type anything and press submit.

A lot of people point to the Rams as a reason why you spend money and make trades but that’s only half true. Your post points out the full truth. They built around Goff through the draft and by making smart signings/trades. Once they got in contention they started going crazy with money and trades. Douglas is putting us in position to do that. Whether or not it works is a different story.

 

Well, he's been very frugal, which is good, but we've gotten mostly mediocre or bad players out of it.

JD's obsessed with value, it's a core principle of his. I think that's a good thing but it doesn't come without downsides. Lawson for example was relatively cheap for his talent level in part because of his injury history. Lo and behold he got injured immediately.

GVR was very affordable, I wonder why? Maybe because he's an absolute disaster as a player and was responsible for like 40% of the total pressures our line allowed last year before finally being benched. Does anyone think we wouldn't have been better off paying $2 million more per year for someone who could actually play?

Everything is a balance. Stingy JD is better than a Mac-type who just throws money at 30 year olds but each guy is too dogmatic and not pragmatic enough for my taste.

 

I get it and understand that this a troll thread and that you don't want an answer. But, I will bite.

Very successful JD FAs have been:

JFM
McGovern
Fant
Huff
Guidry
Q. Williams

 

Yeah Van Rotten sucked but at least there was an out of his contract …. So you’re right in regards to the contracts themselves. JD left wiggle room on most of them …

 

Huh? Which players did he bring in that are bad? Seems to me like he’s brought in all solid starters with experience and seemingly great scheme fits?

 

Well … a fair statement but I would suggest to wait another year to see how the Jets have progressed. JD inherited a mess and wanted to build mainly through the draft. His moves and countermoves pointed towards 2022 as to when he could finally put real pieces on the team.

So I say it’s still a work in progress. So far he has done a much better job than Mac …

 

i started to go through the list but realized it's easier to do it like this.
you have to realize he took over a bad roster made some desperate moves to help short term. some paid off some didn't

where he is good though is nothing has crippled the franchise. we didn't have a bell, mosley, trumaine contract. any mistake he made was off the books fast and wasn't expensive. he also found fant who was a backup but has proven he's a legit starter and has overperformed his contract. he found JFM and berrios off waivers and extended them both. he didn't have a lot of money to spend to start, he had to fix what mac left. only thing JD botched IMO is the robby anderson thing and he admitted it. outside of that he's been great. and to be fair mac botched that 1st by extending the guy with neck issues who's always hurt over extending robby

 

FAs signings are generally bad. They are fools gold and rarely hit. if you get an average player in FA you are doing very well. JD has done very well in FA hitting on a number of players that I listed above. The list would likely be longer if Lawson, Joyner and Davis had not gotten injured. Lawson was ready for a monster season before a freak achilles injury. Davis while not great producded at the level of a number 2 WR which was how he was paid. Hopefully he will do better this year. Joyner was a strong leader in the locker room and they expected big things of him last year and liked him so much they gave him 4.5 million for this year. All of JDs signings are high character guys which have helped transform the Jets culture and locker room. I would argue that his FA signings are well above average and have made this team and locker room much better. You can see the results of the change in culture this off-season with FAs wanting to play for the Jets.

If you can get average players in FA you are doing really well. You are not going to get above average players in FA like McGovern, Fant and JFM very often. But if you get solid average players like Davis or Berriois you are doing very well. JD went for the moon with Lawson and it almost worked out. But if you look at this years FA class no one is saying they will be great players. Hopefully they will be average players that fill out the roster and get rid of glaring weaknesses. Maybe Tomlinson, Whitehead or Reed can be above average really good players. But average would be a very good return as well.

 

we haven't had the money to spend until now but realistically thats not his MO either. he's not gonna go after the top guys. he'll draft top guys and go after 2nd tier FAs