If Sam ever finds a consistent team, coaching and players he will be fine. Sam has been dealt one of the worst starting 4 years of any rookie QB to enter the league with the year over year turnover across coaching and players he has endured. So say he sucks is wrong because it goes against your very own argument about too much change. Zach played 13 gms his rookie year Sam played 13 gms his rookie year Guess who had more passing Yds, tds, and completion percentage. Darnold threw 57%/2800 yds/17 tds/15 int, Zach threw 55%/2300 yds/9 tds/11 ints. Zach could literally not get much better and be one of the worst draft picks ever - so easily at this point. He hasn’t been good at all and he’s played worse than Darnold rookie year.
And you can’t bring Allen into this. He wasn’t top 5 draft, wasn’t a premium pick that can have been traded a massive haul. For the value of the pick, Wilson has been a terrible draft pick at this moment. Anyone disagreeing is purely in denial.
Nope, no problem at all because we all saw how well Wilson was prepared to strap on his helmet in game one and go at it until he was injured. Not having a vet option was a problem the team created that was not remedied until the kid was knocked out. Twenty throws in preseason games does not prepare a quarterback to play in the NFL when the toughest competition he face the prior year was the Chanticleers of Coastal Carolina The. Guy. Was. Not. Ready. Not even close.
For what it's worth my official stance on Wilson is that it's not looking very likely he's going to be the guy for us. I want him to succeed very badly, for both the team and for myself to be proven correct in my pre-draft analysis. Based on the objective evidence it's not looking great though. He played very poorly for most of the year. He did improve as the season progressed but he limited his big mistakes by limiting all the good things too. The good QB's do a lot of the good stuff and little of the bad stuff. Wilson "improved" by doing less of everything, good and bad. His yardage, TD, and completion % numbers were low along with the INT numbers near the end of the season. I will say his best game by far was the Bucs game, our 2nd to last game of the season. He played legitimately well that game. The Bills game to end the season means nothing given how many starters we were missing on offense.
Why do you continually think that everything has to be the same for every player, for every draft, etc and take the same cookie cutter approaches to everything? There is more than one way for a player to learn and improve. There are no set parameters as to how players should develop, learn and improve. There is no set timetable, either. Everyone is different. To assume that Zach isn't going to be the guy because he didn't fit some preconceived notion you have of how a QB or player should learn and improve is silly. He was a freaking rookie on a team filled with a rookies and young players, and a rookie CS for pete's sake. You might want to take a look at your expectations and do some reading or research into how people learn. I can tell you as a teacher/coach that there is no rigid way in which people learn. That's one of the things that makes teaching/coaching such a challenge.
Did I ever say Darnold had a bad rookie year? He played like a rookie and showed signs. He has sucked since then some fault of his own other things out of his control. Sam never fixed or learned. You look at numbers I look at development. There was no excuse for Sam this season and Zach will Ultimate be the better pro. Zach reads defenses better than Sam has a better arm and better pocket presence. To be frank a consistent offense of scheme. Sam had a chance to prove all the doubters wrong and he did not do it. You know what this is not a Zach against Sam and I am not rooting for either of them to fail. Zach is the Jets QB and I want him to succeed not fail to prove we should have kept Sam.
3 & out - punt 3 & out - punt Turnover on downs resulting from stupid decision making on 4th down Fumble that’s the last 4 drives with the game on the line in Zach Wilson’s “best game”
Lol. You are one of the best posters bickety. I was just busting your chops. Thanks for being here my friend.
Zach didn't play in the 3rd preseason game. Not sure if you remember but there was a storm that day and the field conditions were awful, which is why he didn't play.
All I'm saying is that most guys who start their career's like Wilson did don't end up panning out. That's not up for debate, it is a fact. You can choose to believe he'll buck the trend if you'd like, that's fine. I do think Wilson is a hard worker but so are most highly drafted QB's and that's not always enough. Sometimes a guy is just not good enough no matter how badly he wants it. I like how you use the fact that he was a rookie with suboptimal talent as an excuse for his bad year, nevermind the fact that almost every single highly drafted rookie QB joins a bad team with suboptimal coaches. You don't draft high in the draft if you have a great roster with a great coach.
Let me ask another question. Say Zach comes back next year and only shows slight improvement. Finishes the year in bottom 20% of the QB's in the league in statistics while playing majority of the games. What do you do on 2023 season. Ride him again or bring in a vet to make sure OL we are building and WR's TE's we will invest can be utilized for a play off spot. Hypotheticals I know but off season just started and we got nothing better to discuss.
While it's true that one doesn't find great teams with great HCs drafting high in the draft unless they've traded up, very few teams, if any, have the absolutely horrible roster the Jets had after 10 years of abysmal drafting and FA signings. Most of those teams don't have rookie HCs and CSs, either, and aren't installing more complex schemes on offense and defense. Experience makes a difference in the decisions a HC and CS make, and how they handle their players. We clearly saw that demonstrated this past season on the Jets. Early in the season, rather than trying to ensure that Zach and the offense got into a groove and built confidence, he was immediately attacking downfield trying to exploit weaknesses in the opposing team's D. I have NEVER seen an OC do that with a rookie QB. The OL wasn't ready for that in terms of blocking, and the rest of the offense was not ready for that, and as a result, Zach took a pounding, TEs, RBs and WRs ran the wrong routes, didn't know their responsibilities, and the offense struggled and lost confidence. Thankfully, once MLF moved to the booth he realized how foolish he had been and backed off that approach, but the damage had already been done and it took a while to undo it. If you don't think that made a difference, then I can't help you. Similarly, Ulbrich and Saleh refused to make any adjustments to Saleh's D scheme until about midway through the season, and the D was horrible with the exception of perhaps a game or two. Either the players weren't ready in terms of understanding the D and their assignments to be so aggressive or they didn't have the necessary speed/talent/skill to be able to execute it. Finally, around midway through the season, they backed off being so aggressive, and the D slowly got better, and finally had 2-4 good games at the end of the season. Experienced HCs and DCs or wiser ones realize early that they don't have the right players to execute a scheme, and they make adjustments, adapt it to the abilities that their players do have. They don't stubbornly keep trying to shove square pegs into round holes. Just because you and others try to write everything off as an excuse rather than accepting things as valid reasons with cause and effect doesn't make it so. It's that cookie cutter approach that you use to look at things. Everything is not the same, nor black and white. There are many shades of gray, and every person and situation is different. Hopefully you'll learn that one day, as you seem like a great guy, are a very knowledgeable fan otherwise, and a great poster. You're allowing a lot of the negative nellies here to influence you. You said yourself that you thought Zach was the right choice, yet you are already giving up on him. Either you are easily swayed, or perhaps never had any real belief in him as our future QB. A rookie season should not dissuade you from your opinion so easily.
Hi Brook, I think if Wilson finishes in the bottom 20% again that would mean people are going to lose their jobs. Douglas.... Saleh... etc. And a new regime always wants to pick their QB so it will be back to the drawing board I think
That’s my gut feeling to BN. I don’t care about Saleh or Joe D one bit but a new rebuild is something I can’t stomach
Its not a question of people giving up on Zach a much as its a circumstance that Zach didn't come out and look as NFL ready as guys like Herbert, Murrey, or Burrow. There was little doubt after their first season these guys were going to be FQBs. For the cost of Zach's pick this was the main thing we were hoping to see. A rookie yeah, but a rookie who frequently showed the meat and potatoes to be our future - not a guy that had a Darnold type year. I get that he is on a team that isn't very talented but for Zach's cost, being in the "we hope to see a big improvement next year" isn't what we were gambling the 2nd overall pick on. We were gambling that pick on getting a guy that was clearly going to be a star in this league. Were not giving up on Zach but we've been here too many times before over he last decade. At some point we want a QB that puts hope to bed and we can know, instead of just hoping.
I think unless Zach really crashes next season he is our QB for at least the next two years. I also don't think anyone will be fired unless we finish in the bottom 6 in the league. Even if we finish at 26th overall, we'll be told next year is the year - and we have a top 10 draft pick to build with. It will be SOJ.
