Brian Flores to sue the Giants over hiring process?

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  1. Brook!

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    Well said. Drop the Interview obligation. But keep the Draft Pick reward thing in place to promote lower level folks promotion to coordinator or front office roles. Then interviews will stop being a sham and minority promotion will have a meaningful reward attached to it.
     
  2. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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  3. NYJFOREVER

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    Teams employ murderers, rapists, sexual assaulters, and domestic abusers all in the name to win a Super Bowl.

    The problem isn't racism, it's nepotism.
     
  4. Br4d

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    Apparently Flores wasn't going to get hired this go-round and so he made himself permanently unemployable?

    I mean he'll probably get some money out of the lawsuit and the entities he is suing have some very deep pockets but this situation has Kaepernick written all over it.
     
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    From what I've read, Flores doesn't play well in the sandbox. Has a way of getting on people's last nerve. He may have bought all of this on himself. Decisions have consequences. Like Br4d said, Flores just may have Kaepernick'd himself.
     
  6. Bills over Jets

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    I believe the giants had already interviewed Leslie Frazier and perhaps even Patrick graham prior to hiring daboll and these texts by BB/Flores. Rooney rule was satisfied whether they had daboll already in mind while interviewing Flores or not.
     
  7. NYJFOREVER

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    Have a hard time believing they didn't interview him.
     
  8. Br4d

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    If Belichik or Parcells had told Tua they'd have drafted somebody else if they knew he was going to play this badly it would be seen as a motivational play - potentially a great one if Tua suddenly started performing.

    Brian Flores says it (allegedly) and it's like some high crime or something.

    The problem with the GM is that Flores did not like the QB and wanted to do something else and apparently communicated that using words not so nice, although private.

    I mean I look at the road wreck that the Miami Dolphins have been in the last decade and if I'm the owner I fire the QB and the GM and keep that HC. He was winning mostly and that's something the Fins have had trouble doing since Dan Marino left town.
     
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    I've read that the rule requires you to interview two outside candidates, Graham is internal so wouldn't count towards the two.
     
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    I read Flores' civil complaint, and it goes beyond scorched earth. In essence, he claims the NFL and the teams are blatantly and unrepentantly racist from top to bottom. There's no way in hell the NFL can settle this lawsuit because it would be seen as a tacit admission of guilt, so we can expect the NFL and the named teams to respond with a scorched-earth approach against Flores. If he has any skeletons in his closet, we'll hear about them soon enough. This is going to get very nasty and very personal.

    What the NFL should be really worried about is that this lawsuit is the kind of publicity that might attract Congress to nose around in the NFL's affairs. Imagine Goddell or Ross or Mara on the hot seat in a congressional hearing with a bunch of publicity-hound politicians grilling them. Good luck the next time a team tries to get public funding for a new stadium.

    Stephen Ross, the Dolphins owner, is in deep shit because Flores claims Ross ordered him to tank to improve the team's draft position. Purposely losing at a time when we have legalized gambling? Oh, man, what could possibly go wrong?

    John Mara may have a problem. Belichick told Flores the Giants were going with Daboll before Flores even interviewed. In other words, Flores claims the Giants' interview was just a sham to show compliance with the Rooney Rule. So much for Mara's image (in his own mind at least) as an above-board, straight-shooter.

    The complaint contains no smoking gun, just a lot of he said/she said, inferences and innuendo. Undoubtedly, Flores hopes to find the smoking gun during pre-trial discovery. Flores filed in the Southern District of New York, undoubtedly in the hopes of getting a racially diverse jury.
     
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    Lawyers Guns and Money...

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  15. Jonathan_Vilma

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    Is it that hard to believe that the Giants had pretty much made up their mind as to the coach/GM combination they were going with as soon as they decided on Schoen as the GM? This isn’t the Texans wanting to hire McCown because he too draws inspiration from the Bible despite having no coaching experience. Daboll was easily the hottest potential first time head coach option on the board.

    I also find it hard to believe that NFL owners who have no problem trotting out documented domestic abusers (Tyreek, Kareem Hunt), murder suspects (Ray Lewis), rapists (Roethlisberger), sexual abusers (Watson - potentially), animal abusers (Michael Vick) and more, but they’re opting for a white coach.

    If a three legged giraffe could execute a game plan to stop Patrick Mahomes, they’d be a NFL head coach. Flores was a recently fired head coach. There’s usually a gap between head coaching gigs.
     
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  16. JetBlue

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    Now we know why the Dolphins fired him; this is simply not the actions of a person with good judgement.

    Even if his interview with the Giants was a sham simply to comply with the Rooney rule, that doesn’t, in any way, equate to a conclusion that it was racist to hire Daboll. It simply means that the Rooney rule is a token gesture.

    the NFL’s greatest defense to the suit is the existence of the suit itself.
     
  17. Petrozza

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    NFL teams are racist? :D I guess that's why the likes of Antonio Brown, Randy Moss, etc. kept getting one chance after another. NFL teams are in the business of making money and winning games. As long as a particular individual helps bring money and wins, he will be given one chance after another. Flores has a losing record, and from what I read, is not really a people's person. Now he did a Kaepernick, as he probably realized that his chances of getting another HC job were as high as Kaepernick's chances to play QB for an NFL team. The Giants most likely interviewed him due to the Rooney rule that was a dumb idea to begin with. Candidates (in the NFL or any other business) should be getting interviews based on their skills instead of their skin color or sexual orientation.
     
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    Yup--he's not the first person to ever interview with no chance at the job--why go nuts?
     
  19. NYJFOREVER

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    This is the problem I have with the racist argument. NFL teams don't give a shit about who or what you are; just win games.
     
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  20. ProfJets

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    Rooney rule actually says (2020 update) that you have to interview two external minority candidates for HC; since Graham’s internal interviewing Frazier before hiring Daboll wouldn’t satisfy the Rooney Rule.
     
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