Robert Saleh comments on Wilson’s struggles

I don't mind developing the kid. I don't mind it taking a little time.

I have big concerns though when the easy stuff at the QB position Isn't at least there. Right now, I don't see a starter at the position. I don't even see the kids potential based on how shitty he's been at the position. How bad this offense has looked with him under center.

I fear the kid's confidence is already extremely shaken, I think he's overthinking everything and it's causing him to play like dog shit.

I hope he figures it out In these last 6 games. I do.

Again though.

Sam Darnold gave me much more hope his rookie year than, Wilson.

To me. That's not a good sign.

 

he certainly has a bit of favre in his early play.....lets see how that evolves. listening to glanville in 91-92 sounds quite similar to what the jets are chirping about now.

 

Bit worrying with his one-word answers and just enough info being said and a lot of awkward silence in between questions, looking down at the floor.

Not the bullish guy from before the season started that's for sure.

Edit got better as it went on in all fairness.

 

Another example of how toxic this fan base can be. Why are we thinking like this with a rookie QB who’s what, 7 starts into his career? Shelving Wilson for a few years? That’s absurd. He was picked #2 for a reason. Like stop the madness, he needs to play …this roster is nowhere near ready…they have youth up and down this roster, but let’s grab a “seasoned vet” to win games….my goodness. Sometimes I feel like this fan base doesn’t deserve nice things when I see posts like this and everyone knew this year would be challenging and about growth.

 

Yeah…maybe the reactions are a bit over the top…you’re right it’s only been a few games

but what people are reacting is the fact that he’s looked REALLY bad. Like terribly bad. Seriously…he’s had lots of challenges just in making the easy throws that ANY NFL should make. He’s held the ball too long and taken sacks. The picks I can understand…most rookie QBs do that…but it’s the troubling accuracy issues that are concerning. He didn’t really have that in college, so why is it coming so hard to him now? Could it be that the level of competition is just too much? BYU is mot exactly playing against top teams.

and then, on top of that, we have been so unlucky with QBs here that the patience is just not there. He’s making many of the same mistakes Darnold was making, and got killed for, yet he’s getting excuses made for him…we’ll it’s the OL, we’ll it’s the playcalling, we’ll it’s the receivers, etc etc. yet we had three different guys come in, two of whom haven’t even played, and they ran the same offense just fine. In fact, better than fine.

so I get the fact that yes, the OL did improve, I get the fact that we are making I think a bigger deal out of LeFleurs move to the box than we should, but whatever, I’ll give on the fact that LeFleur has improved as well. But it just seems like we are falling over ourselves to make excuses for the kid, when he hasn’t shown that he can do this yet.

all good…it’s only 7 games…I was hoping that he would at least show SOMETHING…that he at least could make the throws that are easy…but he hasn’t done that yet. So when we hear about how good he is in the film room, or how he’s working all the time, or all this other stuff…I think people are like great…so SHOW me. Let’s see something on the field.

until he does that, there are going to be doubters. We’ve seen this movie before. Darnold had similar issues with accuracy and reading defense, and he wasn’t able to overcome that. I’m hoping Wilson can. so I think it’s funny that while most will crush Darnold, many are making excuses for very similar problems in Zach. It’s ok…I have hope too.

But so far, I haven’t seen anything that gives me hope yet. I’m glad people are finding “progress”in his play….a throw here or there I guess…but I just don’t see it. I’d like to see a good game…let’s see 300 yards, or no picks, or 68% completion…something. Even Darnold had a nice game here or there…300 yards against the Lions if I recall correctly.

again…I think crushing the kid now is over the top…I’m not in the let’s go redraft a QB camp. He needs to play. This year. Next year.

but I AM in the I’m concerned camp. And until he shows some real progress in games, I’ll probably stay in that camp.

 

And you think we are a Jimmy G away from being even average?

 

well i hope no one thought this would be a smooth learning curve with this team.

its always a cluster fuck regardless of who calls the shots.

 

Lots of good stuff in your post--I'd add a couple things:

1. You brought up Darnold and I'm seeing Sanchez similarities. When Sanchez first played he was energetic and wreckless and it was beautiful--remember that reach at the goal line in his 2nd game and his deep throws in first 2 seasons?

In Zach's first couple games he was rolling out and throwing deep and looked like something to build on. Now he's being managed--micro managed by the looks of it and he's failing. The offense needs to be tailored around his strengths or he's going to go the way of Sanchez IMO.

2. He appears to be weak mentally relative to the heroes the average NFL QB's are. John Beck is already playing psychologist for heavens sake. This is an awful sign IMO. Struggles with Trevor and Fields are normal but these guys don't have "thoughts running wild in their heads" that require a specialist.

 

If it were up to this board, Robert Saleh would've been fired after 4 games; the team would have a new HC every 4-6 games. Does it surprise you that people are already reacting to Zach like this?

I will say, Zach has been terrible so far, there's really no other way to put it. He needs to show he can competently run our offense in the next 6 games. If he doesn't, I'll start to get real nervous.

 

If Adam Gase had be retained for this season, how much of this mess would we blame on him?

Asking for a friend...

 

tell your friend that’s kind of an irrelevant question. Adam Gase had a track record of being a terrible coach for a long time leading up to his stint with us. He also was supposed to be an offensive guru and a QB whisperer. Robert Saleh is a defensive coach. I can keep going on but hopefully your friend gets it.

 

Tough situation.

Zach has been pretty bad this season. I don't think that's debatable. I'm sure the coach is seeing potential wins drift away due to the play of the QB. I certainly can't blame him for being frustrated. Zach is struggling to make short passes, and he has probably looked the worst of the four QBs the Jets have played this year.

At the same time, he's a rookie. He's clearly not a finished product and needs to be given time to improve. My guess is the Jets thought they were getting a slightly more developed player. Continue to surround him with talent and put him in the best situation to succeed.

Hopefully Zach can finish on a high note and give the coaching staff something to be optimistic about.

 

is the reason he was picked #2 the same reason that Darnold was picked at #3 and Sanchez at#5? Because our approaches there didn't work out great.

 

Just like Saleh said, he is used to having a lot of time in the pocket to throw and now has a lot less time. He has to adjust to that and let's hope he does.

 

Or heaven forbid get some talent on the OL that will give him some more time, instead of having the shittest RG in the NFL trying to protect him all season, RT not much better and neither was the C in all honesty.

Not excuses as such, as he has been shit himself, his accuracy has been woeful, still early days eh, fingers crossed for us, as fans.

 

We need to become a run first offense and make Wilson become a game manager (the way we did with Sanchez early on). I really hope we spend money on the oline this off-season. If the Giants don’t re-sign Barkley, I wouldn’t mind going after him to complement Carter. We need to shift our identity into a run first offense by next year

 

No doubt about it, Wilson has not looked good so far, but I think this is a key point. A good coach builds an offense around the strengths of the players they have, they don't try to shoehorn players into the system they have previously designed. Clearly Wilson does better when he is moving outside the pocket, so why not design more plays like that? He's quick, why not roll him out and let him scramble for a few yards if nothing is open? Obviously we don't want to see him taking big hits, but a Russel-Wilson style playbook where he rolls out and then runs for 5 yards out of bounds if nothing is open seems plausible to me. The offensive line isn't giving him the time he needs and he isn't having success throwing the short, accurate passes that the current system calls for - so change the system.

 

Not a chance I blame the struggles on our OL at this point. It's night and day In comparison with the OL with and without Wilson under center. There Is a clear problem with the QB to OL rationale. They even replaced our lone shitty offensive lineman, who has played exceptionally better. There Is no excuse there. Wilson Is having issues with slide protect, pre-snap recognition, holding the ball too long, etc...

As much as people hated the criticism that GVR gave Wilson earlier In the season. I can definitely see It after having such a different result with other QB's under center.

Again. Night and day. That has to change. One of the many things that need to get better for Wilson at this point. Which Is troubling.