Not saying you are wrong, (you are probably right) it’s just a depressing future. We are looking at playing out the string in 2021, struggling again in 2022, fire both Saleh & Douglas after the season and rebuild .... again... starting in 2023
Can't keep on selling the future. I know the Chicago Cubs got away with it for almost 100 years but modern fanbases aren't buying into the bullshit anymore. Just like real life, you need to see tangible results. Not Potential, not rebuilding over and over. You should have seen all the empty seats at MetLife yesterday. Not to mention all the Dolphin fans in the house. As long as you have fans buying into the "patience" story, the organization knows they can continue rebuilding well into the future. That way, every year there's a built in excuse. We're rebuilding. We're young, We're inexperienced and so on. No pressure to win usually winds up with very few wins. If you don't win, no worries as you can always promise that one day, you will win a game or two. Just be patient. Remember Wimpy's line: "I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.." That's our future BN. Its the price we pay for being Jet Fans. It took 100 years for the Cubs. Its over 50 years for the Detriot Lions. Even the NO Saints used to be called the "aints". It may take another 50 years for the Jets assuming the NFL is around in 2071. Keep the faith..
Patience is all about expectations. This is year 1 patience makes sense. If we fire Saleh and JD and draft another rookie QB we will have patience with them as well. Every time you fire everybody it takes time. You have a new scheme, New Philosophy different players to fit scheme etc.. It is not coincidence that Qbs that play in the same systems for several years do better. Patience is not because we are patient it is because we are out of patience and starting over will take longer to have success.
It’s not really year 1, it’s year 3. Joe Douglas has had 3 years to build a winning roster. And where are we at? The point where a 7 point loss at home to a 3-7 team is a “small victory” in itself. Sad
Depends on which path a franchise chooses to start over with. I think perhaps in this market, the Yankee model might bring the short term success this fanbase needs. Nobody really cares about winning for the next 20 years, we want to win NOW. If spending cash wisely accomplishes this, great. Drafting just hasn't worked for the Jets. Trades have worked in the past. We're just not astute enough at the organizational level yet to sign viable FA's that actually contribute. We sign guys to big contracts, then those guys just vanish. They get hurt, they stop producing. Give it a name but in the end, its money thrown away. We don't resign our drafted stars because they ask for too much money. Result, we're always drafting youngsters and down the rabbit hole we go. Its a vicious circle that more resembles a black hole when it comes to the jets.
I think Saleh needs time, like Wilson. JD needs to really arm him with some talent, everyone knows the team is awful in multiple areas. I will give him the rest of the year and 2022 before I decide to flip on him, because he does seem very promising as a team leader and coach
i get the same sense. blaming JD for the last 50 years is like blaming your current GF for everything your ex GF did. what happened in the past doesn't really matter. we have a 2nd year GM (since he only had 2 offseasons) a 1st year head coach, a rookie QB, plenty of money and picks, and a solid core of young players. you have to give JD and saleh a chance. There is no 1 right way to build a team. if you take a look at pitt and NE it's consistently and drafting. look at LA and it's trades and being aggressive and always being pressed against the cap. The main thing for most good teams is having a FQB. if zach becomes that it changes everyhting but you aren't giving them a chance. you can't fix a team overnight so what would be your plan? make the jhohnsons sell. fire JD and saleh to bring in 2 more people with the same results? the flaw in your plan is that firing JD and saleh right now is exactly what we've done in the past that is why we lose so much.
Ummm... Did I say fire JD and Saleh right now? Please point out where I posted this. The piece you quoted had me saying use the Yankee Method which translates more into how LA does it. So what if we're pressed against the cap, we'll be relevant NOW and that matters more than some 10-15 year development plan that may or may not work. Pitt and NE seem to have better drafts than we do although recently JD has been doing far better than Mac. Organizationally, Pitt and NE are as far removed from the Jets as the Dodgers are from the Mets. Not even in the same universe are the Jets. Back when the Jets mattered, we traded for success and it worked fairly quickly. It certainly didn't take decades. It all depends on how many years you're willing to invest in this team's development. If you think this team will be relevant in 2025-2035, then I understand the brick by brick approach. If you're looking for relevance in a shorter time frame, then trades and A-list FA's are the way to go. Comes down to how much time you want to spend on this. It took 450 years to build Rome into a empire..
Isn't trading for success and signing FA talent what the Jets have done recently though? It hasn't brought much success. FAs aren't signing here to win things, not next season anyway, they are signing here because they will get paid and not have many expectations on them or because they are a mid level talent that wants a chance to start. These are not the players that will bring success and turn a team around. It may be correct that the NY market does not have the patience for anything more than a half- arsed rebuild. I get that fans want to see the team win but constantly shifting focus and not seeing plans through is one of the reasons the team has sucked for so long. Last year was the tear down. This is year 1 of the rebuild. Growing pains are expected.
Short take: Not that pleased with our JM Douglas but we may have some budding talent especially in 2021 draft class and just maybe 2020...so he stays and rides out his contract if he get us more Elijahs 2 Carters AVT and maybe hopefully Mr Zach to breakthrough The Coaching??? That's where I am rapidly losing patience with Saleh Ulbrich and LaFleur inconsistency They should go at end of Season if we lose out next 6 games...they just suck ass (all of them ) and Saleh just conned his way to a HC job. Find another crew please JD
At this point, I agree that Saleh comes back next season. However, he hasn’t done anything to prove that he deserves to come back or that the results will be different next season. If Saleh does lose out, maybe it’ll be worth going the Steve Wilks route. Especially if a Pederson, Campbell, Harbaugh, or Tomlin is available and willing to fix this mess for a Binks truck.
and when it becomes year 10 of the rebuild, then what? Just remember who was doing the trading and the FA signings and your answer is right in front of you. It does require a working knowledge of what talent looks like to be successful trading, signing FA's and drafting. Something Jet GM's haven't had in a long, long time (Idzik/Mac). It appears we have a competent GM. He might consider moving his timeline up a few years before all of us older Jet fans are on the wrong side of the dirt. I'm not waiting another 10-15 years for the Jets to look like they belong in the NFL. As of today? They really don't..
The Giants and their fan base have had tons of patience with Dave Gettleman and you can see them reaping the rewards of that patience. It’s an ugly product right now, but all is right in Jet land if they’re in the playoff hunt and push to 8-9/9-8 next year. If they don’t, you have to clean house.
To say that is you have to ignore all the crap before him. JD has had two drafts and Year 1 and Year where about breaking down the roster. This is the first year of the rebuild with a coaching staff he has chosen. The Jets decided to go young for the first time I can remember instead of putting on bandaids and bringing in high prices free agents. If this team is not competing next year I will be singing the same toon. You see the young players getting better right before our eyes. Hall, AVT, EM, Carter 1, Carter 2 and yes Zach was playing better before his injury. We would have competed in more games if the defense was not decimated by injury, but that is the NFL. Last week's loss was tough because the Dolphins are not a better team than Jets . We can't say they very often so we needed to find a way to win that game, that shows growth. This week the Texans are not a better team than the Jets, let's see if we learned anything from last week.of we lose I am not throwing away the baby with the bath water. This has always been compete next year and the year after we should have close to a Superbowl type roster. Keep the faith, at least until we suck next season. I am a Jets fan.
Who said anything about 10 years though and I'm not suggesting no FA signings - we've ditched most of the pre JD contracts now and have lots of cap to spend. I expect it to be spent, within reason. All people seem to be suggesting is that a little patience is applied from the current ground zero rather than canning everyone and starting again.This team is not going to be competitive this year, it was never going to be. Next year should see the team being middle of the pack and the year after being competitive. That's the timeframe I believe he's working to and to accelerate it risks the whole thing collapsing. At that point, even if Wilson busts, the roster should be able to support a push with either a vet QB or another rookie (but obviously hoping it doesn't come to that).
I'm with you man. I know the results so far haven't been what we all hoped for but I actually see and understand JD's plan which is more than I can say for our last couple of GM's. His 2020 class doesn't look great but it's not horrendous. His 2021 class looks to be foundational for this team going forward. Now he's set this team up with 50M in cap space with minimal dead cap hits and 4 picks in the top 50 this offseason. Has Saleh struggled? Absolutely, but he's a first time HC with a team that leads the league in rookie snaps. If you didn't expect some growing pains then you were being delusional. We were all ready to send MLF to the trash pit a month ago but it seems like he's hit his stride as a playcaller. Fact is, we are a bad team that's without three of their top EDGE's, their top 2 safeties, starting LT, starting QB, TE1, & CB2. It's the NFL, I get it, but that's pretty tough for any team to bounce back from, let alone a bad team with minimal depth like the Jets. At this point, I just want to see Zach come back healthy and see what, if any, progress he can make down the stretch.
At the very least, I’m still more interested in watching this year than the past two. We at least have some players worth keeping an eye on that will be on the roster for the next couple years. Last year was the land of misfit toys.
ya think so?? I dont have that same experience. I had zero interest in watching Flacco last week and the defense was split between guys that are practice squad fill ins, and vets that we are used to under performing
I'm not saying you in particular but you do seem to be in the mindset that we've been awful and will continue to be forever because we have been in the past so at some point you have to look at the past and think what do we do different to break the cycle. If you listened to saleh's presser yesterday he said something to me that was really big. he said "“I respect the heck out of the urgency from the fans and the wanting to flip this thing, but in fairness, this is the first time this fan base is actually experiencing something like this,” Saleh said Monday. “Usually it’s been a quick fix, followed by a scramble. This is an actual plan.”" you have to give them time to execute to the plan. i know it sucks to be told to be patient when you've been waiting for 5 decades but the people in charge now have nothing to do with what happened in the past. that's all i'm saying.
