A vent video. With no game next week Brook asked me

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  1. IDFjet

    IDFjet Well-Known Member

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    Billion dollar question--and not one peep or probe by "journalists"--this was not an open interview situation and is entirely non-transparent.

    Ya--I haven't seen him on sidelines--not that he's needed there. It's the training between games that's required and which shows no evidence.
     
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  2. typeOnegative13NY

    typeOnegative13NY Well-Known Member

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    I saw something about it actually being a possibility to bring in mccown? In what capacity I don’t know. Maybe a coach? I’m all for it.
     
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  3. IDFjet

    IDFjet Well-Known Member

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    IMO the QB coach does not have to be an ex-QB although that's a plus. There are several facets of development such as decision making under stress, footwork, interpretation of defensive stimuli, etc. Whoever the coach is needs to bring in experts in these diverse areas if he/she can't hack it themselves. I'm assuming money is not an issue.
     
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  4. jaywayne12

    jaywayne12 Well-Known Member

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    Wow...you know what? You are correct. I mean, I watch all the press conferences now for the channel and not one Cavanagh question.

    That's nuts. Why wouldn't they ask that question?
     
  5. jaywayne12

    jaywayne12 Well-Known Member

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    Im surprised they just didnt do that. Its such an obvious good pick

    My thinking with Vet qb's has always been, yeah its important but you have to find guys that had the reputation for doing things right. Prepping etc. Im sure there are a bunch that might not fall into that category hence never
    started lol. Who knows. But McCown was a solid guy...very.
     
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  6. Jets69

    Jets69 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks god my weekend won't be ruined , thank you
     
  7. jaywayne12

    jaywayne12 Well-Known Member

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    As promised...couldn't find the one on just humility but this one has a little bit of every vent surrounding it lol. Will find it but have to leave for the awhile. Some didn't make it off the editing floor...some were a bit too harsh....but I cant say I didn't feel exactly like what was coming out of my mouth.

    ::::deleted video as per youtube::::::
    Ok...I get an email saying it is being "proccessed for copyright stuff...my guess is the music I use which is totally legit...and I have the copyright for....but I think the DELETE in the name may have thrown them off...it takes very little....I will fix it.
     
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  8. Ralebird

    Ralebird Well-Known Member

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    Interesting to see your remark about root cause, having done root cause analysis when I was working; it's a process most don't understand. The root cause of a car crashing is not that the wheel fell off, it may be that the guy who put the wheel on the car didn't tighten it according to specs or the studs were not made of the specified metal. It can then go deeper than that - does the guy have the right tool and does it work properly or was there a typo in the metallurgical specifications? Then you take those deeper to correct them.

    The reason the Jets lose is deeper than the players not performing; it's that they are not up to spec when they are brought on or are not brought up to spec before being put in a game situation. First it takes a lot of investigation to find out exactly where the root cause lies then develop a process to change it before any progress can be made. People here constantly jump to conclusions when we actually have so little real information about what's going on in Florham Park. We want to believe that communication is better now than in the past few years but we really don't know and bad communication is often a significant factor in getting to the root cause. Most teams have quality control coaches but what do they really do? Do they look for the root cause of wrong routes run or the QB not finding the right guy? Do they dive deep to find out what small failure starts a chain reaction that causes an OL to miss his blocks? Do tthe Jets have guys doing that?
     
  9. NYJetsO12

    NYJetsO12 Well-Known Member

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    Hey Jay ..sounds like you are a smart guy

    I am down for 2 more Vent Videos

    One on Joe Douglas

    One on the Johnsons

    Go for it Brother
     
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  10. jaywayne12

    jaywayne12 Well-Known Member

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    Lol....ty NYJ....The Johnsons? Wow...thats deep. Problem with Jet ownership is for the older fans...not sure how old you are...it goes back a long ways. Its a very long story but I think I have a good idea on
    how to handle your request...and a video some might find interesting. Thanks for the brain shock.

    Smart guy? No sir...just way too much time on my hands lately.
     
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  11. jaywayne12

    jaywayne12 Well-Known Member

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    Really good post RB...and you will find a surface answer to those points listening to a Saleh press conference or a Lafleur press conference. Problem is a guy like you that studies root cause may search for the first bridge to jump off of.
    The questions you ask are excellent. The answers you would receive would come back in riddles. And I am serious. I some times have to play them back 4 or 5 times to see what code they are using.
     
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  12. rscherwin

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    Ralebird, this is a phenomenal thought and post.

    I believe root cause is what separates Bill Belichek from the rest. What separates great leaders from mediocre leaders. WInners from losers.

    In the case of the Jets, we know we're a young team and will make mistakes. We've actually addressed a few necessary "roots" for building a winning franchise.

    - young nucleus.
    - GM who has an eye for talent and the ability to build consensus in the building
    - franchise QB (I'm jumping here - but I say his aptitude and attitude ... his ability to balance ego and humility .... his talent, skill and hunger to grow/learn ... are the necessary ingredients)

    What spooks me is a derailing behavior pattern for any organization. Lack of humility and adaptability in leadership positions. I'm not stating - in definitive terms - that Saleh and Lafleur have not adaptability or humility. I am SCREAMING that they're showing all the early indicators of it. And if it is not addressed, it will kill our hopes and dreams ... yet again. Frankly, I'm praying that Joe Douglas sees this because I believe he knows what it takes to win, and the Johnson's are incapable of that. And he's the only person who knows what Saleh is doing about Lafleur and the offense behind closed doors.

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  13. Losmeister

    Losmeister Well-Known Member

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    the only reason a vent video thread exists is the abolutely pathological preseason HYPE MACHINE

    we all contribute

    thats why i justy pop in nmow and again... teh team has shown me they are nt worthy of me paying attention
     
  14. jaywayne12

    jaywayne12 Well-Known Member

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    So you think it was to just hype a video? Make a quick couple million and laugh all the way to the bank.
    Making the deposit now.
     
  15. Ralebird

    Ralebird Well-Known Member

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    I don't know if the problem with ownership is ignorance or apathy but have a feeling the Johnsons don't know and don't care very much what happens on a day to day basis. I do not believe for a minute that the owners are driving any of the football decisions nor is there any evidence that they have been stingy with the purse strings. Still not having a director of football operations is a telltale sign of the everlasting disfunction that is the New York Jets. Motivation on the part of ownership would demand this as a first step toward breaking the decades old pattern of intransigence while moldering in the sub-mediocrity that has been the history of the franchise.

    One would hope that someone in such a position of authority would be able to look at the big picture and not allow the team to end up in the situation it is today of having an inexperienced, ineffective offensive coordinator under the leadership of an inexperienced head coach from the other side of the football. It would have been refreshing going into the bye week to hear some promise to make an effort to get the play calling to a place where a rhythm is developed and the offense is set to a pace the personnel can accommodate. I hate to say that what appears to be stubbornness on the part of Saleh and LaFleur in not making game planning changes with respect to the reality of what the team is capable of is Gase-like.
     
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  16. IDFjet

    IDFjet Well-Known Member

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    You make good points like usual.

    I think the idea is to get a bunch of younger, inexperienced guys to grow together--this phenomenon can make great teams eventually. Part of the experience is sharing tough times. If you adopt this philosophy you can't abandon a key guy such as the OC at this time. I think the approach is fresh.

    I've already seen very positive signs that we are onto something good--just need to be patient--I think its going to work out especially with our next bunch of rooks and our then 2nd year guys.
     
  17. Ralebird

    Ralebird Well-Known Member

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    My point is that maybe the current thinly experienced OC should never have been put in that position to begin with, particularly with a new head coach whose entire coaching career has been on defense; I think he's in over his head and we've seen nothing to show he's adapted his game plans to something his players can handle successfully. A foundation of success is called for in order to bring this team to that point.
     
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  18. IDFjet

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    I know you're saying that--the contrasting viewpoint is to let him grow with the team.
     
  19. Ralebird

    Ralebird Well-Known Member

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    I'm not quite as old as Leon Hess was but most of us don't want to wait forever. This team needs someone to help them grow now, not a guy who needs to grow himself before he can help others. I don't think the simultaneous plan can work unless an experienced guy is brought in to help; I'm not saying LaFleur's day won't come, but it's not here now.
     
  20. Losmeister

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    no

    w/o all the preseason/offseason hype... there would be little reason NOW to have a VENT video
     

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