Joe Douglas has addressed O-Line/WR like no Jets GM (ever has).

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  1. SmashMouth

    SmashMouth Active Member

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    I was looking at our All-Time draft picks throughout the first two rounds the other day, and it was alarming.

    Because before Joe Douglas both of these (valuable) offensive positions have been both ignored and neglected for too long.

    But yet as a fan base we've wondered why we haven't been able to develop a Franchise QB since dating back to Joe Namath?

    O-lineman.
    1988 - Dave Cadigan (1st round).
    1995 - Matt O'Dwyer (2nd round).
    1999 - Randy Thomas (2nd round).
    2006 - D'Brickishaw Ferguson (1st round).
    2006 - Nick Mangold (1st round).
    2010 - Vlad Ducasse (2nd round).

    WR.
    1990 - Reggie Rembert (2nd round).
    1994 - Ryan Yarborough (2nd round).
    1996 - Keyshawn Johnson (1st round).
    1996 - Alex Van Dyke (2nd round).
    2001 - Santana Moss (1st round).
    2012 - Stephen Hill (2nd round).
    2015 - Devin Smith (2nd round).

    Throughout a 32 year span only 6 O-lineman were drafted throughout the 1st and 2nd rounds? That's an average of only 1 offensive lineman drafted throughout the first two rounds once every 5.3 years. And that's neglect.

    And throughout a 30 year span only 7 WRs were drafted throughout the 1st and 2nd rounds? That's an average of only 1 Wide Receiver drafted throughout the first two rounds once every 4.2 years. And that's criminal.

    (Enter Joe Douglas).

    O-lineman.
    2020 - Mekhi Becton (1st round).
    2021 - Alijah Vera-Tucker (1st round).

    WRs.
    2020 - Denzel Mims (2nd round).
    2021 - Elijah Moore (2ne round).

    He's also attacked and went after impactful Free Agent O-lineman and WRs such as Morgan Moses and Corey Davis along with restructuring the contract of Jamison Crowder (he's immediately made both positions a #1A and #1B priority).

    And maybe Zach Wilson now has a chance to show promise throughout his rookie contract. And with two first round picks and two second round picks I'll be shocked if Joe Douglas doesn't attack both Center and WR come 2022's draft as well (because he's got a prized #2 overall QB prospect on the line here).

    I just wanted to highlight and point this out. Because our GM is different. He believes in surrounding his Quarterback position with premium draft picks at both O-Line and WR (unlike GBs Front Office who've only drafted Aaron Rodgers two 1st round prospects on offense dating back to 2006 of 16 years ago. And if I were him I'd be pissed off too because unfortunately we can relate as Jets fans).
     
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  2. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    Next draft he will really add to the defense, because we know that’s what wins championships,right?
     
  3. Falco21

    Falco21 Well-Known Member

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    I, personally, love Joe Douglas. I think he is going to be the GM of this team for a long long time, but for anyone who has had any doubts, you have to give credit where credit is due.

    This quote speaks to your post and provides all the assurance you need on his plan:

    EDIT - can't find the quote LOL
     
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  4. SmashMouth

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    No I believe if a great Center prospect is available during the 1st of 2nd round he'll snatch him up in order to build alongside of Mekhi/AVT and once Crowder walks for FA he'll look to replace him with a 2nd round WR in order to build around Mims/Moore. Saleh is a defensive minded coach but no position is worth building around more than the QB position.
     
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    I was waiting for someone to say it.
     
  6. NCJetsfan

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    Whom JD takes early in the 2022 draft will depend largely on how present players play at key positions like DE, CB, TE and even LB. With 4 picks in the first two rounds, JD can address what ever position he thinks needs the most help in a significant fashion. That said if Kayvon Thibodeaux is sitting there at the Jets pick or within reach of a reasonable trade up, all bets are off and I think JD takes him, unless the Jets' pass rush is dominant with present players, or some team who is desperate to get Thibodeaux blows him away with a trade up offer to get Thibodeaux.

    I don't see him taking a C in the 1st or 2nd round however. McGovern would have to play worse than last year for that to happen. Everything I've read said that JD is very happy with McGovern at C. I could see him drafting a C in the 3rd or 4th round for depth purposes, but not a starter.

    TE is an important position in this offense if LaFleur runs it in any way similar to how Shanahan does in SF. I can easily see his taking a topnotch TE early. Unless Dunn, Pinnock and/or Austin all play lights out this season, I think he definitely will look to take a CB early.

    I'd be truly surprised if JD uses a 1st round pick on a WR in 2022. For that to happen, imo Mims would have to prove to be a bust and maybe Davis have a mediocre season. I think they really like Cole, and if he plays well, they'll bring him back. With a core of Davis, Moore, Mims and Cole (and maybe Berrios) I could see him possibly adding a WR in the 3rd or maybe 4th, but he could wait until the 2023 draft to add another.

    Depending upon how Nasirildeen/Sherwood, J. Davis and Mosely look this season, I think JD definitely could be looking to add a versatile LB for depth if nothing else (3rd-4th round), but if there's a stud earlier, or if one of the positions underperforms, I think he takes a LB early.

    I don't think he'll take a RG in the 1st or 2nd round, but could in the 3rd or 4th or 5th/6th round range.

    Depending upon whether they plan to re-sign Moses, JD could be looking to draft his future RT, draft another OT for depth, or maybe replace Fant with a new swing OT.

    S or even RB could wind up fairly high in the pecking order as well (2nd -3rd round).

    It will be interesting to see.
     
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    Great post! I totally agree! It's very refreshing to have a GM who knows that even though we hope we have drafted our FQB, he still needs talent around him to compete in this league.

    Gone are the days of us trying to talk ourselves into the likes of Jermaine Kearse, Terrelle Pryor, Deontay Burnett, Charone Peake, and Josh Bellamy being impact players.
     
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    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    I wasn’t sure at first, but the breakdown of tetsaverde’s career stats the other day followed by this thread was the clincher.
     
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    Jets79 Well-Known Member

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    Great original post

    to make it worse, not only did we ignore these positions, but if you look at the lists, we botched most of those picks…

    of the 6 OL, only Thomas, Brick and Mangold were any good…that’s a 50% hit rate … not good enough when you’re talking first two rounds

    of the 7 receivers, only Key and Moss were worth a damn…that’s even a worse hit rate

    disgusting

    The even sadder part is that we can do this for all of the positions and see exactly how damn awful our drafting has been…we haven’t had great coaches outside of a couple, but the problem is deeper than that…the problem is that historically we have been way piss poor at drafting talent

    poor talent evaluation behind poor or (in cases like Mac) NO strategy at all makes for a historically losing franchise


    That’s why I am so happy with JD…yes he’s made a few poor decisions, most notably letting Robby walk and replacing him with Perriman, and his first draft, while still time on his side, isn’t looking as good as maybe we expected, but no GM hits on every player. He’ll never bat 1.000

    but what IS clear is that he has an actual strategy and plan on how to build a team. Accumulate high picks when you have a tear down at hand. Invest in low cost free agents. Draft impact positions and build in the trenches. Surround a young QB with weapons. Pretty clear.

    and the sad part is it’s not rocket science….most of us on this board would have laid out some form of this approach. We may quibble on the actual players chosen here and there, but the strategy and plan makes sense. The crazy part is that we have 50 years of numbskulls running this team, and getting PAID to do it, who haven’t been able to figure this shit out.

    that’s the inexcusable part.

    what the FUCK was Mac’s strategy? BPA even if we didn’t need the position? Consensus even if it’s not an impact position? Ignore OL forever? Draft a QB and throw him out there with the dregs? Seriously, he had NO plan!

    Idzik before him had the plan of pick accumulation down, but he couldn’t evaluate talent for shit…how in the world do you strike out on a 14 player draft is beyond me. Terrible.

    so great post and it clearly shows why we’ve sucked for most of our existence outside of a few years with Namath, the SackExchange, Parcells, and Rex…
     
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    I see what you did there.
     
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    The Waterboy Well-Known Member

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    Saw "since dating back to" and it got me, good catch
     
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    Reading the OP's post I kept thinking the same thing. The length, focus on drafting a center and the formatting all seemed to point in one direction. The only thing missing was loudly advocating that we use a 1st rounder on Tyler Linderbaum.
     
  13. Brook!

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    So DWC,

    How do we do this? Last time you decided to go after my boss and insulted him. Is it because you have a million accounts stashed somewhere? Shame on you. I will ban this account after you respond to me.

    Again, shame on you for going after Cman like that.

    Also, you have great opening posts. Your problem is, you expect everybody to agree with you and worship you. You have no concept of "Agree to Disagree".

    You could be an MVP on this board with your knowledge, your strong penmanship and love for the Jets. Yet you made an entire board dislike you. Huge achievement if you ask me. Here you go. Floor is yours!
     
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    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    Whoa there .
    Make him publicly apologize to cman, have him make his signature state that he is a known troll and let him comeback as dwc. Let’s try to stop banning the trolls and instead make them register, like pedos .
     
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    Looks like others beat me to identifying the OP as a certain someone who loves writing novels here.
     
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    Everyone has a "tell."
     
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    If Smashmouth is DWC than this incarnation has been an improvement, which must have taken a lot of effort on his part.

    I vote we give this account a chance.
     
  19. The Waterboy

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    So give his 7th or 8th account a second chance after numerous other accounts of his had 3 and 4 chances? I fail to see the logic
     
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    Sorry Brook! this was an account I had stashed away during one of my othe 6 months suspensions from when I was in my 20's from 2009 (just hated to be away from this place).

    But yes. It's me. DWC. And I did apologize to CMan in PM but was shortly banned thereafter. I am sorry for that. I crossed the line.

    Just wish my DWC account wasn't banned until next Football season because I've read the board every day since my suspension but ever since training camp started I became too fired up and wanted to post really bad to share my thoughts and excitement.

    But yeah. I agree. I guess I don't deserve to post here anymore especially under a stupid fake name I just wish my DWC username was welcomed back again for 2021 because looks like I'm going to miss an entire Jets season of posting which will ruin my season as a fan.

    Sorry CMan. Sorry Brook. Sorry TGG. I was wrong for sneaking back in and Brook is right for banning me after this post. I should've just waited until next year.
     
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