Sights and Sounds - Jets Minicamp (June)

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  1. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 2018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Don't you mean sites?
     
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    The other positive is that the ball actually hit the receivers hands. As a long time Jet fan I am not used to recievers having even a chance to to touch the ball on INTs. For example most of Sánchez's INTs landed in a different zipcode.
     
  3. K'OB

    K'OB 2021 TGG Fantasy Football Champ

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    Can't say about last season but his face around the cheeks/eyes looks a bit on the chubby/fat side, says he has strayed out of the fish lane once or twice lol
     
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    The three he had in OTAs were ALL off of dropped passes/deflections. I don't know whether he had just the one interception today, or two, but at least one of them was off a deflection (again Vyncint Smith).
     
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    https://takeflightmedia.org/is-keelan-cole-the-jets-wr2/

    Is Keelan Cole the Jets WR2?
    2 Comments / Featured Editorials / By Harrison Glaser

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    From the Jets OTAs so far we have heard a lot about Keelan Cole, as well as Braxton Berrios. Both have been said to be favorite targets so far of Zach Wilson and have looked very good in the opportunities they are getting. Originally the thought process for Keelan Cole was the same as the thought process of Braxton Berrios. First that this is OTAs in shorts and no pads, and you cannot look too into it. How many times have we seen players who flash in shorts then it doesn’t translate to pads and real games, especially at wide receiver? Clyde Gates, ArDarius Stewart, Chad Hansen, the list goes on and on. Second, due to OTAs being voluntary not everyone is here yet, and they don’t have to be. They are off on their own, working hard, practicing, keeping in shape. Plus injuries play a factor as well.

    For Crowder it was the voluntary aspect as well as contract renegotiation’s. Jamison Crowder is not there. I firmly believe letting him go is a mistake. He has been the Jets best wide receiver each of the last two years, has been one of the best slot wide receivers every year he has been in the NFL, and you want as many weapons as possible for your rookie QB. But that is not the topic of this article. The topic is that since Crowder hasn’t been there, Berrios is seeing a lot of time in the slot and making the most of those opportunities. The same goes for Keelan Cole, who has been making the most of his opportunities since Denzel Mims wasn’t playing. Or so we thought…

    Denzel Mims was sidelined for the first week or so of OTAs with a minor injury. However since he has returned, according to Connor Hughes and DJ Bien-Aime, he has been working solely with the 2’s. Keelan Cole has continued to work with the 1’s with Corey Davis, Elijah Moore, and Braxton Berrios. This was very surprising to me, but in a conversation recently with both Connor and DJ it actually makes sense.

    As you can see I was questioning Denzel Mims not being the starter, because that just seems crazy to me. I have been saying that not only is Denzel Mims very talented, but he was supposed to be a 1st round prospect just like Elijah Moore. I’ve shown how most WR1’s have had pedestrian rookie years like Allen Robinson and Kenny Golladay, both of which were later picks than Mims was, and how Mims flashed amazing receiving, awareness, and catch ability last season. He was hurt like most rookies transitioning to the NFL, and hamstring injuries tend to linger. Mims hurt both of his hamstrings. I felt we hadn’t seen Mims at 100% but saw flashes. I also want to point out again THAT THIS IS OTAs. Until they put the pads on and play against real competition in the preseason, it is hard to gauge what we really have and who will be the starters. I still believe in Mims and have said for the reasons above that he can still develop into a true WR1, but two different beat writers having the exact same observation is hard to ignore…

    And that observation as you can see in Connor’s tweet above, is that even with Mims back, Cole looks like he is going to be the guy. And the logic does make sense. I have been saying that other than Zach Wilson, the entire team is wide open. I want the best players to start who work the hardest, look the best, give us the best chance to succeed, and give our rookie QB the best weapon possible. If that is Keelan Cole, I am fine with that. If that is Braxton Berrios, I am fine too. How much money you’re making is irrelevant to me. The best players always play, so here is your opportunity. From potential stars to UDFAs, whoever wants it can earn it, and Cole looks to be doing exactly that.

    Not only has Connor said this, but I spoke privately with DJ Bien-Aime as I will be bringing you guys a new segment called Exclusives with DJ Bien-Aime, and he confirmed the exact same thing, almost verbatim, which means there is legitimacy to this. Both have said that since Mims has returned he is working exclusively with the 2’s while Cole has continued to work exclusively with the 1’s. Both have said that Cole is a much better fit for this new scheme under Mike LaFleur. Both have said that this new scheme requires precise route runners, and Mims is more of a linear player who doesn’t possess the deepest route tree. That can definitely change, but as of now Keelan Cole, Corey Davis, and even rookie Elijah Moore are much better route runners.

    Another interesting aspect is Connor points out that the Jets have apparently been trying to acquire Cole for the last two years now but haven’t been able to get the Jaguars to part with him. Joe Douglas has been our GM for two years, which means basically since he has been here he has been trying to acquire Cole. That is not something to ignore. That shows how much Joe Douglas likes Keelan Cole, which is important when factoring in that Denzel Mims was a 2nd round pick of Joe Douglas’ just last year. I figured Mims’ potential plus his draft stock meant Mims was going to be the guy, but if Douglas has been this high on Cole his entire tenure with us, and Robert Saleh views Cole as a better fit in this offense than Mims, then there is legitimacy to Cole being the Jets WR2. Now lets take a look at what Keelan Cole brings to the table.

    As you guys know, I am a huge fan of Joe Douglas. I have felt since his 1st draft that he was a great GM, and said everyone will see it eventually which they are now. I have also spoken about the many things we apparently see eye to eye on, including draft prospects and philosophies. In fact my last podcast episode was dedicated to all the reasons I was a huge fan of Joe Douglas leading up to his 1st draft and why after it I was confident enough to say he was a great GM already. As it turns out, we can add another player we both agree on, and that is Keelan Cole.

    We had said earlier Douglas has been a big fan of Keelan Cole and has been trying to bring him to the Jets the past two years. I have been a fan of Cole since his rookie year when he put up 748 yards, averaged 17.8 yards per catch, and had 3 touchdowns. In watching Cole he has always reminded me of old school wide receivers and I really liked that about him. He plays very physical and makes contested catches. He plays much more physical than his 6″1″ 194 lbs frame would suggest he would. In fact, his physicality, contested catch ability, and desire to make the catch no matter if he is gonna get hit hard, has reminded me of Jericho Cotchery. Also, for a wide receiver of this archetype he is much faster and quicker than you would think. In his four years with the Jaguars, Cole in limited opportunities has 2,242 yards, has averaged 14.1 yards per catch, and has 12 touchdowns.

    As you can see in the above tweets, Cole also seems to make a lot of ridiculous catches where he looks like a potential WR1. Like the commentator says, “speed guys run & get open, they don’t turn around & make Spider-Man-type catches.” Cole has been a WR2/3 over the past four years but often tends to make these ridiculous catches making you wonder if there is more potential there. Sometimes, a change of scenery can make a huge difference. Maybe this opportunity with the Jets is what Keelan Cole needed to finally break out.

    Is Keelan Cole going to be the Jets WR2? Again, it is just OTAs in shorts and no pads, but as of now it is beginning to look that way.

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    In the article on the site, you can see videos of Cole making amazing one-handed catches in games.
     
  6. LAJet

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    Good feedback. The fact that he clearly and transparently displays a personal agenda against Wilson is obvious. It will disprove everything he has said about him before. He parochially goes out of his way to either minimize or right down avoid any positive feedback about our QB, a fact that is painfully visible in his superficial status. I wouldn’t trust him to be impartial, balanced nor accurate on anything he reports about the Jets unless it happens to benefit his personal agenda and support his prior publishing’s.
    He is the last resource I would ever consider to find out the unfiltered facts about the Jets.
     
  7. NCJetsfan

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    This little tidbit from Miami's mini-camp:

     
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    Wow! Am blown away by these projections! I'll take them. Where do I sign up?

     
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    https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-...two-decades-for-wr-prospect-like-elijah-moore

    Jets have been waiting two decades for WR prospect like Elijah Moore

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      Rich CiminiESPN Staff Writer

    FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- Wide receiver Elijah Moore and running back Michael Carter show up every day at 6:30 a.m. to get in extra work before practice -- an un-rookie-like routine that has impressed the New York Jets' coaches. In Moore's case, the early bird catches the pass.

    A lot of passes.

    The former Ole Miss star has been the standout of the Jets' offseason practices, demonstrating the skill that convinced them to draft him 34th overall. Beyond talent, Moore's "work ethic is off the charts," Jets coach Robert Saleh said. "His mindset is off the charts."

    When these tidbits were passed along to Tevin Allen, a South Florida-based "sports movement specialist" who has been training Moore for seven years, his response was matter-of-fact.

    "That's Elijah Moore," Allen said by phone. "You're going to get this every single year. That's not a façade. That's not just to get on the coach's good side."

    Allen speaks from experience. Over the past few offseasons, he has received odd-hour texts from Moore, who has an insatiable drive to master his craft. There have been 7 a.m. training sessions at Riverland Park in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, adjacent to their alma mater, St. Thomas Aquinas High School. There have been 11 p.m. workouts at Central Park in nearby Plantation.

    Moore usually texts with a specific plan in mind: Want to work on option routes. ... Want to work on tracking the ball over my shoulder on slot fades.

    That sort of thing.

    "He's not playing for a participation trophy," said Allen, a former Illinois State defensive back and CEO of Gold Feet Global. "He's going to do whatever it takes to get that No. 1 spot."

    The Jets are counting on Moore to be a trend-buster. They have a sorry history when it comes to drafting wide receivers. The list of recent disappointments includes ArDarius Stewart, Devin Smith and Stephen Hill. In fact, the Jets' last draft to produce a Pro Bowl wide receiver was 2001, when they chose Santana Moss 16th overall. He made the Pro Bowl with the Washington Football Team, not the Jets.

    It's way too soon to put Moore in that company, but he does have some Moss-like qualities in that he's undersized at 5-foot-9, but smooth, surehanded and precise with his routes. Allen, who has worked with several NFL receiving stars, said Moore was a better route runner in high school than some NFL players.

    The Jets are using Moore in a variety of roles, namely the X, F (slot) and Z positions at receiver. At times, they could use him in tandem with slot receiver Jamison Crowder, who agreed to a restructured contract on Monday. Moore and Crowder will practice together for the first time Tuesday for the start of New York's mandatory minicamp.

    Moore also is getting a chance to audition for the punt-returning job. The coaches love his versatility and ability to make yards after the catch, his calling card at Ole Miss, where he amassed 1,193 receiving yards and 86 catches in eight games last season.

    "Football is football," Moore said. "At the end of the day, I know that obviously it's going to be played at a higher level here, but you've got to adjust. You know, I'm here for a reason."

    Moore displays a maturity beyond his years, which made the 2019 Egg Bowl incident such a surprise. After scoring a touchdown in the final seconds, bringing Ole Miss to within one point against Mississippi State, he got down on all fours and pretended to urinate like a dog. He cost his team the game. The 15-yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty pushed them back and the Ole Miss kicker missed the extra point, resulting in a 21-20 loss.

    The crude celebration was an out-of-character lapse resulting in a torrent of criticism despite Moore's apology. In an interview after the 2021 NFL draft, Moore showed accountability, saying he learned a lot from the mistake. Allen, who has known Moore since he was 14, called it a turning point.

    "I believe the Egg Bowl situation put him in a different zone because that's not the kid he is," Allen said. "Everybody was sending him death threats and saying he needs to lose his scholarship, things like that.


    "It hit him, man. It could've messed up a lot of people. It put him in a position where he could either use it as fuel or it could've buried him, but he obviously went back the next year and showed who he is."

    From the time he was 12, when he started working with wide-receiver trainer Sly Johnson, Moore has lived an "accelerated lifestyle," according to Allen. He has trained with wide receivers such as the Cleveland Browns' Odell Beckham Jr., Buffalo Bills' Stefon Diggs and Tampa Bay Buccaneers' Antonio Brown, absorbing knowledge from the masters. When he got to college, he learned from teammates DK Metcalf (Seattle Seahawks) and A.J. Brown (Tennessee Titans).

    Moore was on the fast track to the fast track, which has led him to the Jets.

    "He can line up wherever you want, and he's going to execute it at a very high level, even though the routes might be a little bit different, the stems might be different, the releases might be a little bit different," Saleh said. "He's showcasing his ability to be as versatile as possible in terms of being at different parts of the field, being at different positions, understanding what needs to get done, so when the ball gets to his hands he can still do what he does best -- and that's run after catch."
     
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    Another day, another fuck up for Vyncint Smith leading to a turnover. When are they just going to cut bait with this guy? He’s horrendous.
     
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    All in all, positive reports from camp. I enjoy the instant feedback, but camp in June is what it is. Nothing to get worked up over. Just be happy for healthy players and eye popping plays made by the new guys. Sometimes these reports seem like what it would feel like if your boss evaluated you during a revue over something that happened during your lunch break. It gets a bit ridiculous.
     
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    I highly doubt he makes the team. mims, crowder, davis, moore, and cole are locks. that leaves at most 2 more spots open. I think we keep berrios because his special teams ability and he's proven to be reliable and healthy for us. that leaves 1 spot open for the rest of the pack and there is no reason to cut someone until you have to
     
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    Yep. Cimini gets ripped by Jets fans because he's been correctly covering a horrible franchise for the past ten years.
     
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    I agree with you. It is only June and the hype while enjoyable is pretty meaningless. That being said I enjoyed the Clowney hype, the Clyde Gates hype and the Hansen June hype. But, there is a different vibe here with Gase gone, all the young players, Saleh's optimism, JD's competence and a rookie QB. I really enjoyed this years otas. After 2 years of Gase it was nice to like my team again and it is nice to have hope for the future. This team reminds me of the 1978 team. Lot's of young potential talent with a possible bright future. I can't wait for training camp.
     
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    I'm buying the Moore hype without hesitation. It's not like he's getting praised for making a lot of catches or getting open... he's getting praised for his fundamentals and his intangibles which lead to him getting open and making great plays. Those things carry over.
     
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    Has he zipped one into his backside ala Hack style :D
     
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    But he seems to delight in it, that is the shitty part.
     
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    Awful throw but what a catch. And that's an RB.
     

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