Gase by a long shot -Worst opening press conference -Ostracized and lost locker room -Terrible with media -Suspect play calling consistently -Couldn't develop the young QB he was specifically brought in to help -Won two meaningless games that cost us a generational QB prospect I don't know how it gets worse than that.
McAdoo was terrible in his own right, but Gase in a landslide, it's not even close. I went from laughing to numbness to hatred with that guy and there was no turning back on that last part after he had the delusional audacity to blame everyone but himself for the team's failure(s). Anyone there when he shifted blame on Sam Darnold specifically? No? I almost spit out my water, but he shifted blame all the time, as if no-one could understand his unfathomable genius. Adam Gase was the worst Jets HC I've ever lived through hands down. I barely made it out alive. Good riddance.
It's kind of a bullshit monkey wrench to throw a basketball coach or a hockey coach into a sort of football conversation, but how about them fucking Knicks now, am I righhhhhtttt. 4th Seed, I don't even know what to do with myself @Royal Tee , LMAO. I texted HIM when they were set to win 10 in a row. I think they surprise vs the Hawks, but I can't remember the last time I was on the edge of my seat since the OJ chase cut the game off. And later . . . fingerrrrr rrroolll forrrr myyy trrroubbbbbllle. Ow! EDIT & P.S.: I'm not a Basketball fan in the least. I just tune in down the stretch . . . if it involves the Knicks . . . and it rarely does. The 70s Knicks is what I grew up on . . . and then Basketball completely turned into a "me" game, so I pretty much stopped giving a shit . . . unless it involved the Knicks. So, no bandwagons to be had here, just an observation and a proclamation. EDIT & P.P.S.: For clarification, I texted @Royal Tee, not you, haha. I said HIM, not YOU, so I went back and put HIM in BIG, FAT, LETTERS.. I'm not always at the mercy of my own technological idiocy. I KNOW WHAT I WROTE, BUT IT CHANGES STUFF, whatever IT IS! OK, I'm done, see me later.
Gravy, CMan, thanks for asking! Hope all is well with you, too! My neighbor bought a kick-ass boat last year. I have all these great pictures that I seriously meant to send you of Block Island and whale sightings and awesome catches and so on, but I suck. Maybe when he buys a new boat 10 years from now I'll send you 11 year old pictures! I always think of him as baby because I've known him since he was 11 years old but he's in his mid 40s now (unreal) and a big dude, haha. He lives to fish and hunt and he's a hell of a marksman, which is why venison is the only meat that I eat. I get gifted fish and venison all the time. He's given me fish so fresh it's practically still moving. Stripers, porgies, sea bass, brook trout (no boat), red snapper, bluefish, and something called black something or other, I can't remember now, but it was really delicate. Anyway, put your seatbelt on early, the regular season will be here before you know it! Be good.
interesting breakdown, we can also look at a kid like demario davis who was with the jets for a number of years and looked stiff and incapable. to the point i was like this kid is never going to get it and was happy when he left. he ends up in new orleans and hes now a stud out there playing lb. i think that is one of those things where we have to say that the coaching staffs did a horseshit job of developing guys, of getting the most out of them or of having the right juice available to them.
I think you're way too generous on a couple of these fronts. Trumaine Johnson was not an elite player - he was a boom or bust corner that thrived on jumping routes for big plays or getting burned for big plays. It's in the cards for man and cover 2 corners who play in heavy blitzing defenses like our buddy Gregg Williams schemes. Bell was the absolute wrong signing. Not only did Maccagnan bid against himself (there weren't a lot of suitors reportedly and the Steelers made a firm offer they weren't changing), but Bell had just went 18 months off as he entered the runningback graveyard years. His lack of even being given playing time with the Chiefs in favor of Darrell Williams says a lot as to who he was as a player upon his return. Not to mention he looked slow as ever and like he lost the feel for the game which was his entire play style. He also added Mosely that off-season and while a good player, you just do not spend that kind of money on a run-stuffing 3-4 linebacker. I also think you're discounting what a disaster the 2015 off-season turned out to have a ripple effect. We spent something like $100 on a 30 year old Revis who just embarrassed the organization a couple years prior, a slot corner, a safety and a pass blocking offensive lineman who struggles to run block. None of which were factors by 2017, so from 2016-2017 we spent five picks to rebuild the secondary including the two safeties in two rounds. He also massively reached on ArDarius Stewart and Chad Hansen, let DeMario Davis walk to become an All-Pro, signed Henry Anderson, Daryl Roberts, Quincy Enunwa, and Wilkerson to bad contracts and openly stated (as far as I remember) that he doesn't believe in drafting offensive lineman high. He catches too much flack for Leonard Williams - you're right he was the correct pick. And Hackenberg IMO - wrong pick, bad pick but meh he swung and missed. We're not the first team to take a second round QB that can't get on the field. Shell should've been re-signed. Not a good starter, but an NFL player nonetheless. Lee was an awful pick.
Good catch on me overlooking the Revis re-signing. I thought that was an awful decision in about 47 different ways. I think I've always attributed it to Woody, but you're right, it falls on Mac's shoulders. Bell, yes he should not have bid against himself-- that's moronic. But he didn't look "slow as ever and like he lost the feel for the game" when he was signed-- he didn't look like anything, as he hadn't been on the field in over a year. He could/should have been a key addition that took pressure off of the rookie QB, but we had a coach that didn't want that or him, or a running back at all, or some other crazy Gase shit that makes no sense. The fact that he ended up looking slow and playing without any fire when he finally did see the field may or may not have had anything to do with the fact that Gase didn't want him there and presumably didn't factor him into the playbook (he didn't for anybody else, either). Mac's failure to work with Gase in any way may be reasonably construed as a failure, and one that hurt the franchise. I don't know how much I can hold that against him, either-- Gase sure as shit hasn't shown any indication that he's willing to compromise in any way to work with anybody. Henry Anderson, Daryl Roberts, and Quincy Enunwa were all good contracts-- or would have been if Quincy hadn't gotten hurt. The Jets relationship with DeMario Davis is confusing as hell all the way around-- not sure who gets credit/blame on that one. I'm not a Mac defender-- I think Joe is much better. I just think Mac is about league average for a GM. I'd take him over Idzik, Tanny, or Bradway any day and twice on Sunday.
Bell looked like he was stuck in the mud with cinder blocks on his feet man. Bell wasn't used to his 100% capability but he still had 311 touches including 66 catches. He was featured in the offense. His split out percentage was only reduced as I remember about 8% but he was also left in the backfield a bunch because he was the only viable pass protector behind a dreadful offensive line. Again, take a look at how he couldn't get on the field with the Chiefs (even whole CEH was hurt). This is in the second year of an overpaid four year deal. From a team building standpoint, runningbacks should not command the salary they make. We neglected the offensive line again - with Roger Saffold, Matt Paradise, and Mitch Morse all available in the top 20 free agents. Morse has been a good player for the Bills and Saffold has been an absolute monster for the Titans. Henry Anderson was not a good contract. He recorded 1.5 sacks over 21 games after he received $7 million per year. Roberts was fine before he got paid, but he's not the type of player that should get extended even if he was fine. He was one of those guys that got playing time just because he was the best of bad options. Enunwa was limited and he was an OK player before his extension. I think you can argue either way honestly. His contract rounded out to about $9 million per year. It should've been in the $5-7 range but I agree it's splitting hairs a bit because he got hurt so it's not easy to project how effective he would've been.
Yes... AFTER he was signed. It was anybody's guess (and hotly contested) as to how he would look when he got on the field after taking a year off. I was steadfastly against the signing at the time-- feel free to go look up those threads-- but it's not like Mac KNEW he had slowed down and signed him anyway, which is how your posts are making it sound. He took a swing-- not one I approved of-- but it wasn't an unreasonable swing, and many many fans here and experts across the NFL world approved at the time.
I guess. I don't think it was a reasonable swing given his hiatus of 18 months, his position and his holdout being based simply on money. Bell was not a good player to introduce to the locker room with all of those circumstances. I get your point though. I think you raised concerns bigger than Maccagnan though and he was empowered to make splashy moves as he did because there was no cohesive plan. Just throw money at perceived top free agents and round peg square hole them into the team's strategy and locker room.
Anderson was overpaid a bit, but the guy was not brought in to be a pass rushing specialist-- he was a solid rotational DE who was a solid run stuffer. He was overpaid because solid players don't go to shit rosters for cheap-- he got the shitty team premium. The Jets have to pay this rather frequently. Enunwa was a big possession receiver who played physical football and could snag a contested pass-- something we desperately needed at a time when zero WRs on the roster could get a quarter inch of separation from even the shittiest CBs in the league. If he'd been on the field for another season or two, he could have been a great weapon for us. Particularly with a young QB who needed a reliable target more than anything this side of a stout O-line. Roberts was fine. Extending him was fine. Not extending him would have been fine, too.
I can't imagine a worse coach than Gase. Not only was he terrible and couldn't adjust, he seems to be completely unapproachable unlike Mickey and Fizdale.
I am not going to bother reading the responses. It is obviously Gase. He was a nightmare from the beginning and Jets fans new it would go belly up. We had to sit there and watch it happen....
At the time we signed Bell most other teams in the league knew it was foolish to sign aging RB's to big contracts. In typical Jets fashion Mac thought he was the smartest guy in the room while not realizing he was actually years behind on adopting even the most widespread league trends. An idiot who knows he's an idiot is far less devastating than an idiot who thinks he's a genius. Mac was a historically bad GM by just about any metric.
Ha, funny you should say that. Whenever Mike Tannenbaum gives words of wisdom on the radio, I laugh. Why was he half retarded when he was here?
Please don’t get me started on Hackenberg. If he “took a swing” in the 6th round that would be fine. To take a kid who was awful in the 2nd round was among the most egregious decisions I have seen a Jet GM make.
