I will re-iterate something about the Wilson/Fields situation. It is crazy, it has become more and more like people can visualize their career clearly. Wilson is bust, the next Trubisky or Darnold. I am leaning more toward Fields for many reasons by the day but the critics regarding Wilson are so out of touch and quite selective and becoming more and more moronic. Like his skin colors, his pro day (like it was the most useless thing friday but since Fields pro day it is now has become the most relevant thing) or his 2019 stats. I have my concerns with him too don't get me wrong and I am wishing more and more that Jets don't draft him at all so he can flourish under Shanahan with the 49ers and develop as a star QB. He is more of a project pick than the final product. If you cannot see his upside then I don't know what to tell you. The guy has just all the tools you want in an elite QB and he is very dedicated to be the best but I am starting to realize that for NY Jets football it's not more about talent or player development it's more about hype and media attention. So yes Fields fit more that model than Wilson. If we get Fields, we finally have our nationally recognized superstar QB. A guy that should be drafted 1st overall based on his college stats. He has been labelled the next big thing for 2 years now. No way a no name playing varsity football can become better than him, impossible.
Yeah I mean this is a big problem specifically around here for all the guys who say they don't watch a lot of college ball but went back and watched all of Wilson's tape. That means that they do not quite understand the context of what the big difference is between G5 vs. P5 competition because they don't regularly watch enough games to spot the differences. But competition doesn't matter, a throws a throw bEcAuSe ChRiS sImMs SaId So. There were four G5 starting quarterbacks on opening day last year. There's roughly the same amount of G5 teams vs. P5 teams. There's a reason there's such a big disparity. The other element of this argument is that people try to make Texas Tech into a small time school when they reference Mahomes. Which is hilarious considering the cut throat recruiting that is Texas football and of course the fact that they play a cupcake and then all Power 5 teams in the Big 12. The issue is that Wilson and BYU DO normally play a regular schedule with four to five power 5 teams on the schedule. They didn't this year because of Covid. So they scrambled and scheduled everyone they could, but that meant facing middle to lower tier G5 schools. It's not like they played Cincinnati and the other G5 conference champions. He played fine vs. Coastal. He didn't play great even if he had some nice moments. He didn't play Burrow vs. Oklahoma and Alabama. He didn't play Fields vs. Clemson and Michigan (2019) or Lawrence vs. Alabama and Notre Dame. And on and on of the great QB performances of all time. Coastal was a nice story. They won me a lot of money all year as they were dogs or slight favorites until the middle of the year as they were projected to be the worst team in the conference to start the year. The fact that he didn't light them up should be alarming to all.
There is no need for anyone to share the opinion that both would be good for the franchise. For what it's worth, my opinion on pro days remains the same. They're relatively useless beyond the conversations the GM's have in terms of throwing. The speed times are more relevant because of no combine but they're also all beefed up. Regarding race - I don't think any of you are racist nor do I think it's racist to compare a black quarterback to another black quarterback. I do, however, think that it's a lazy comparison that throws all athletic black quarterbacks into the same basket because the subconscious nature of human beings is to compare like to like. It's not some sort of delusion to see him solely compared to black quarterbacks that all play differently and question that analysis as valid. I apologize if it came off harsher than it should've been. It's like when Geno came out and everyone automatically thought (not even necessarily here but even broad industry wide analysis) he was going to be a good runninge quarterback. When he didn't run in college. Athletic and ability to run doesn't make them a runner. There's an important distinction between a passer that can run and a runner that can pass. And I think that's missed if a passer than can run is also an exceptional athlete. I just don't see it with Wilson. Never have and I love late night college football. It's a great way to recover from a bad betting Saturday. It's not delusional to believe a quarterback is not going to be successful though.
I'm far from being an expert on football talent, but I've been following the NFL for a long time. To be a successful NFL QB requires a LOT of skills. Some skills that are crucial and are hard to teach include the ability to read a defense, the ability to sense the pass rush and the ability to see open receivers. Sam has not been strong in these areas. Maybe he can improve, maybe not. Also, the pro days don't test these skills. Wilson and Fields did great on their pro days and Fields is a physical freak, but you need the skills I listed. I couldn't tell you if Wilson or Fields have those skills and the NFL talent evaluators struggle to gauge those skills in college prospects.
Its kinda confusing because I can't tell who you are talking about Wilson or Fields throughout the majority of this post. Maybe I am just dumb?
For the record. I would personally look trade down and stay away from the QB get a haul from Carolina and get the BPA from Sewell, Pitts, Chase or Smith.
Although I would not put money on it there could be a slight chance that Fields might drop to 8th overall if Carolina target Zach Wilson.
Doubt it, but it could happen. What i think is more likely (still probably won't happen) is the Jags take fields or wilson and we get Trevor. I really hope for that, but doubt it.
Florio has a theory that Urban Meyer skipped Zach Wilson pro day so he wouldn't cast any doubt over the next 5 weeks on their Trevor pick
I also think Urban Meyer skipped it because he's a megadouche that thinks he's going to build a dynasty from his ivory tower. He's complaining about not being able to speak to players before signing them, skipping out on office work on the first day of legal tampering to enjoy a golf tournament, etc. Not to say he necessarily needed to attend, but it would make sense to do so for simple due diligence. Not Urban though!
I am no pro coach or offensive coordinator but I can see why they could be excited to coach a QB like Wilson. As I have already mentioned a couple time, he is not the final product. He would need to adapt and work on his game to be more consistent and maximize his talent but he does things that very few QB can do. That's why he is rated very high.
This guy has a death wish. Wilson fans don’t play. I said in another Jets message board that shall remain nameless that Wilson predetermines a lot of his throws & his eye manipulation sometimes gets confused as him going through his reads. I see him look off wide open WRs & throws to covered sometimes double covered WRs instead. He gets always w/ it because of either his arm talent, great ball skills by his WRs and/or crappy DB play. Finally someone else sees it.
