Man, you are really something else. You realize the Bucs also had an elite offense, right? Best 10 teams by points per game last season: 1. Packers 2. Bucs 3. Bills 4. Titans 5. Saints 6. Chiefs 7. Seahawks 8. Colts 9. Ravens 10. Raiders 9 of those 10 teams made the playoffs. Best 10 teams by opponent points per game last season: 1. Ravens 2. Rams 3. Saints 4. Dolphins 5. Steelers 6. Redskins 7. Bucs 8. Patriots 9. Giants 10. Chiefs 5 of those 10 teams made the playoffs.
Lmao you didn't even read my post. The Bucs scored more points per game than the Chiefs last season, yes. Life must be awesome being so aggressively ignorant.
Steve Young was a week 1 starter....for the LA Express in the USFL. Then he was a week 1 starter for Tampa Bay. The Niners signed him as a backup in year 4 of his pro career. Also, Young's record with TB was 3-16 with 11 TDs to 21 ints. This is what happens when a good QB plays on a bad team.
People say this would be like passing on Mahomes so when you have the 2nd pick you better take him. Cause we will never pick that high again. Never mind that Watson's college career was nothing like Mahomes, or that Mahomes was taken 10th.
Yeah that's BS. Give me a list of QBs taken top 2 that were slated to sit their first season. You don't use that much draft capital on a QB that is not even ready to start.
No, they didn't now that Herbert was a week 1 starter. That's absolute BS. The plan was to sit Herbert, and he wouldn't have played at all if Tyrod Taylor hadn't gotten injured.
IDK what you mean by this but Texas Tech was 16-21 for Mahomes's career there, while BYU was 25-13 with Wilson.
Of course it is. You think you have a solid argument but it's like Br4d compiling a list of every QB drafted since the merger, grouping them into ranges and stating the best locations to always draft based on averages, without actually taking any other factors into account. It's pointless to provide a list of QBs because draft position without context is a hollow argument. It's ok for Mahomes to sit because he was the 10th pick? But if he were the 2 it would be unforgivable? Why? Where is the cutoff pick that makes it okay to sit a QB at the start of a season? The 4th pick? The 6th pick? What's the magical draft zone that says their value dropped enough to let them sit and learn on a team that was so fucking bad the year before they barely won any games? Because the further down the list you get, the better and more complete the teams become, and the more capable those teams are of propping a young QB up and disguising his weaknesses. So in effect, you have made an argument that is on the opposite end of logical. And you know it, because you, like me, have at points been arguing that it's not a good idea to plug a rookie QB into a half-built team. So even if you get the true answer at QB, you're putting them in a bad situation by starting them right away. You don't want to go that far though, because you are so dead at against drafting QB at 2 that you can't even fathom drafting one and giving him a chance to learn while the rest of the team gets better around him.
Wilson is further along in the nuances of the game (probably due to games played) & has the better arm talent but pound for pound I see Fields is the better overall talent with the physical attributes that coincides with where I think the game. Day 1 readiness for Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, Herbert...etc were up for debate but not their talents. I think you draft the better talent & get the right coaches to exhaust that talent. I think many are trying to make the coaches jobs as easy as possible. Hence why so many were afraid of Josh Allen.
Well, when you have a knack for hiring the worst coaches, fans tend to believe that relying on coaching to elevate players is a fool's errand. You know I respect your opinion, especially on QBs, and you could be right again here, but I just like how Wilson plays the game - he really does remind me of that Mahomes "flair", and instinct in making the right move/pass/play. That's not to say he's as good as Mahomes, because he isn't, but he could become as good in his own way with good coaching and talent around him. Of course the same can be said of Fields, and if he's the pick, as I said, I wouldn't cry because I do see what you mean. Let me try and highlight a difference between the two that I see. From the beginning, what I saw watching Fields was when he had his first read, he was very good and almost always completed the pass, but when he had to go past that first read he struggled, and then seemed to go to his legs to get him out of it. With his running ability that worked well, and it will probably work well in the pros to because he's an elite runner. But that "blessing" is also his "curse" in that it keeps him from developing that aspect of his game that goes past the first read. With Wilson, he has shown an ability to process quickly and go past that first read, and even when things break down and he scrambles, he still tries to keep the pass play alive and only runs when it's a last resort, or he sees a hole so big they're daring him to run through it. I will defer to you, but that's what I've seen, and it makes me concerned about Fields's ability to grow past a first read guy, at least for quite a while. I do like Fields's guts and his physical attributes, so if he can be coached up I can see where he could excel. I just don't have the same level of belief that you do.
I’m just looking at all of the options because although we have a QB need, we’re in a pretty decent spot overall for a team looking to rebuild. I’m personally all the way back to Fields as of now. I just loved him as a player the games I watched and I can’t get away from that. I think he has huge upside with a little bit of fine tuning. I’ll support Wilson if he’s the pick because he’s intriguing as well, but I’m worried about him taking hits and the injury history doesn’t help that concern. He is a very good and natural athlete so maybe he can be the type of player that avoids big hits. Everything else is there though for him to be great as well. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised no matter what JD ends up doing...there’s a case to be made for almost anything. The one scenario I’d be upset with is staying at 2 and not taking a QB. If it were Pitts I wouldn’t be that upset though
With all due respect I think you misunderstood my argument. I said if you don't think a QB is a year 1 starter then that is a sign that the QB is not worth the value of the 2nd pick. The second pick is for starters, even QB. If you think the QB needs to sit a year then that means he is not a second pick. Its just another factor of Wilson being hugely over rated. In reality, with his downsides, he should be projected somewhere around 18th. Here lets break down reality vs hype. Wilson is like the third string QB that starts the 3rd quarter of a preseason game and lights it up. Then the fans are like, "Oh he is as good as our starter". But in reality he did it against scrub defenses, and he's fools gold. Its the same situation. Wilson's success has been against scrub defenses, on a much better team. If you think about it, that is the same situation they hold against Mac Jones - but the talent gap was wider between BYU and their opponents. So should we really be surprised if Mac Jones turns out to be the best QB next year? I know Wilson has some great physical attributes. So does Mac Jones. In reality Jones should probably be higher then Wilson. Its too much hype. If your QB pick has to sit a year its yet another sign he is not a good value at #2. For that matter we would be better off trading down and taking Jones. In that scenario we get some picks, the risk is smaller, and we don't risk blowing it all on fools gold.
I was going to say that this is just awful reasoning and then I remembered that you want the Jets to use the #2 overall on Devonta Smith. It all makes sense....
