It isn't Gase's fault that we won, he knew he wouldn't be back, so why would he lose on purpose? So he gets 0-16 on his resume, and the Jets get Lawrence after he's fired? Douglas was the one who would benefit from Lawrence, so it was his responsibility to make Gase bench Becton and play James Morgan. And if Gase refused to fire him and install a puppet interim HC. Of course Douglas wouldn't want Gase to run his mouth about the Jets tanking, but Douglas had plausible deniability: he could tell Gase Becton had already been banged up, and he doesn't want to risk further injury to him. And since Darnold was playing poorly and there had been no preseason that he wants to evaluate Morgan. Anyway, it is what it is, and maybe Simms is right about Zach Wilson, or the Texans will want Wilson enough that they trade Watson to us and don't ask for 4 first rounders.
Or Ubran Meyer tries to outsmart himself and takes Wilson. if that happened fuck Covid I’m partying like it’s 1999
Just depends how you look at it. I think @HomeoftheJets is talking about the Jets being (0-13). You can blame Douglas for not benching players and securing the #1 pick at that moment with wins over the Rams and Browns. It's a bad look, but the Jaguars did a similarly bad thing with how they managed their roster and no one seems to care. I respect Douglas not doing it though. You can look at it the other way too, where Douglas did not build an (0-16) roster. It's not great, but it was good enough to be (4-12), (5-11), or (6-10), something like that. Gase was so horrendous, that he lost his first 13 games (Williams gets blame for the Raiders loss, but still). You can also look at it like "How did the Rams allow that to happen? That is on McVay and his staff, because the Jets were not even good that game." You also have to bring up the Jaguars who did all they could to secure the #1 pick. Bravo to them. The Jets were genuinely the worst team in the NFL last year, in my opinion, but the Jags wanted the #1 pick bad and they got it. That's life.
I can't see Meyer doing that, he doesn't have the luxury of being wrong like Simms does. But maybe Wilson will be as good as Lawrence, and he'll be ours.
Exactly. The Raiders game should have been a wakeup call for Douglas that 0-16 wasn't guaranteed. The football gods gave us a gift, and he ignored it.
yeah I like and respect you NCJetsFan, but on this issue, I have to side with HomeoftheJets and TheDarkKnight. They both raise excellent points regarding Douglas and his role all this.
Yeah, it's on Douglas that we didn't secure the #1 pick. Can't fault Gase for trying to win given that he knew he was going to be fired anyway.
I've listened to all these videos with Simms. He is basing his evaluations on who is most pro-ready, not necessarily who has the highest ceiling/most potential/most talent. He's big on throwing motion, consistency, technique and accuracy. He also looks at decision making/making the right reads, and for throws that the QBs should have made rather than ones they did make. He said sometimes making the wrong decisions can still work out OK and lead to points, but more times than not, it will bite you. He says that Fields is a long strider and too often is an arm thrower, which results in poor accuracy at times, and to really bad games. He said that Fields is the worst QB among the top QBs at throwing short passes. He says he's too much of a 1 read and if it's not open, then run-type QB. He says that Wilson, Jones, and Mond go through their progressions and process quickly. He says that Mond is a "machine" like Wilson, Jones, Burrow and Herbert. He is smart, plays in an NFL-style offense, doesn't compound his mistakes. Simms is very convincing. I respect his opinion and he changed my mind about Fields and Jones. I had to stop the video before he talked about Lance as I have to teach now, but will comment on him later. It's also interesting that he doesn't include Trask in his top QBs.
That's the only way one can rationally blame Douglas, and I don't think one can rationally blame a GM for not tanking. Personally, I wouldn't want a GM who tanked intentionally. There's a line between playing young players at the end of a season to let them get some experience and to evaluate their progress, and between making moves to cause your team to lose. It may be a fine line, but it's a clear and distinct line imo. Those young players could play very well and spark the team to a win. I believe in Karma, and I believe that Douglas and the Jets will be rewarded for not tanking and Jacksonville will pay a price for tanking. I think that price could be that Jacksonville will take Lawrence and the Jets Wilson, and Wilson could wind up being better than Lawrence. That price could also be that the Jets trade for Watson, which they wouldn't have done if they had the #1 pick.
How is it not Gase's fault? He was trying to win as any NFL HC or most GMs would do. Very few would intentionally tank, and there would have to be some reward for that. You forget that Gase and Douglas were peers. Douglas couldn't fire Gase and couldn't order him to do anything. Gase decided who played and who started. That was clearly delineated. But for argument's sake, let say that Douglas ordered Gase to play Morgan and Gase did. Would you still be blaming Douglas for doing that if Morgan played really well and the Jets won? Moves like that can backfire. The Jaguars almost won a game or two with their scrub QB playing. I believe that Karma will bite them for tanking. I wouldn't want a GM who intentionally threw games. I'd rather have Watson or Wilson than Lawrence anyway. If we had the #1 pick, we'd be "stuck" with Lawrence, because there's no way Douglas would have then traded for Watson or taken Wilson.
An interesting tidbit from the presser yesterday was that someone asked Saleh and JD if they value advanced analytics or just go by eye test. And both responded that they value both a lot, and have staff that does advanced analytics and gives them info. And when it does not match the eye test, they actually do a deeper dive. I recall several posters on this thread putting down pff stats as meaningless, and I am glad that Jets brass actually does factor this into their evaluation. It's not everything, but it definitely has its place, and it is used by the Jets and you can bet by pretty much every other team.
This is really good to hear. We've been a dumb, antiquated organization for so long. Hopeful we've turned a corner with JD and Saleh.
It would be concerning if they didn’t use analytics. There’s no excuse not too even if you don't want to put much weight on them.
Well this was very long, and mostly a rehash of the other video that was posted yesterday, but there were some new, more in-depth takes, so it was worth watching it. One thing I really wished he talked about in more detail was the mental/processing ability of especially Mac Jones, and also Wilson and Mond, since he touched on this trait as major reasons for liking them more than the others. I'd like to know how he weighs this, what he's looking at when he does, how does he know one QB does this great while another one struggles. I'd love to send him an email or contact him to pose this line of questioning to him but I couldn't find any contact info for him - and of course I don't have Twitter/Facebook, etc. - so I guess I'll have to hope I can come across him explaining it some other time. Simms admits to being an emotional guy - he gets amped up reading Tweets and FB posts - so he might be a victim of his own excitement about Wilson, but I do believe that for the most part he's right about him, and it reconfirms what I said a little while ago, that I liked Wilson better than Lawrence. Now I just hope that the Jags don't screw us by taking him over Lawrence.
