Multiple teams have called about Sam

I just can't see the logic behind forgoing one of the very good QB prospects this year in the hopes that Darnold makes a miraculous improvement. There's a tiny chance of him ever becoming good enough to lead us to Super Bowls. Plus Darnold and the veteran would be significantly more expensive than a QB on a rookie deal. It makes no sense at all.

 

Well in your scenario you would be foregoing a dynamite wide receiver in the hopes that yet another rookie QB pans out right?

So the end of your sentence should read: "Darnold, the veteran QB and a stud WR would be significantly more expensive than a QB on a rookie deal." which is true but not necessarily a bad thing

 

Because he is never getting 25m, JD will never exercise that clause, he may offer Sam a new deal though that is the point, it will be a deal that pays him what he is worth.

The 5th year option is dead in the water because Sam hasn't shown he is Mahomes or Watson.

 

I don't think he should be out of the league. I think within three years or so timeframe it's possible though. Sometimes first round picks just don't make it, even as backups.

He could, but it's more ideal to do it with a rookie and we have that option in front of us. It's better to indoctrinate a rookie into your system than to try to force it with a player that's damaged and just hanging around because he was drafted here.

It depends on his value though. I think Darnold presents more value to the Jets than a late round draft pick. But a first through a mid third is likely better for the organization and him.

 

Yes, he could do that, but in that case he's having to burn up valuable draft capital to move up, which he doesn't have to do now. Now of course if he really believes one of these guys isn't FQB material, he should pass, but I find that hard to believe. What he would be saying in that case is: "I believe that next year's crop of QBs is so much better that it's better to give up prime draft picks to move up if necessary to get one of them". If he doesn't take a QB and assuming he doesn't trade for Watson or someone else to be that FQB, I believe this would indicate that Douglas doesn't think that having a FQB (a QB that's well above average, if not great) is a necessity. That would be very troubling to me, and I hope that's not the case.

 

I know a lot of TGGers have said next years crop of QBs is not as rich as this crop. Maybe. But 2020 was a TERRIBLE year of college football. Half the squads never even played, and the ones who did played a very abbreviated schedule, never left their back yards. If anything, 2020 didn't offer enough 'football' to make any realistic predictions.

Hopefully 2021 will be a much better year for college ball, where all sorts of stars could emerge. Maybe stars that didn't even play in 2020.

 

Maybe we should just grab the sure thing called Watson, I am not sure I fancy waiting another 3 years for a QB...

21 sit out
22 draft one and sit him
23 Finally time to win something
24 Sack Saleh and JD and start again

 

Look, it's clear that your position is that Sam was mishandled by the Jets and with a new coaching staff and some better players he will turn into a FQB. Isn't it fair to say that's your thinking? You've made it very clear. So all the stuff you post about trading down, drafted by Smith, drafting Sewell, not going after Watson, or that next year is the year to see if their is a real "true" prospect worth drafting, is all your rationale for keeping Sam and praying he turns into what you think he will. I find it hard to take anything other than that from you seriously.

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We wouldn't get anything for Sam after the 2021 season unless we had extended him because he will be a FA. If we had picked up his 5th year option. he had a bad year, and we tried to trade him, no one would trade for him, and we'd be stuck with a big cap hit, and we'd have to release him. Then would get nothing at all. The only way we'd get anything for him would be if we didn't pick up the 5th year option and he walked as a FA. Then we might get a 4th or 3rd round compensatory pick.

It just doesn't make sense to keep him. Almost all the possibilities of what might happen are bad.

 

Good NFL GMs don't base their future plans on "hopefully" or "could," especially with regards to a position as important as QB.

 

He also wants us to accept his opinion that none of the QB prospects this year are good enough while also claiming Sam isn't as bad as all of the evidence says he is. If someone tells me over and over that the sky is red I'm not going to put much weight into their opinion when they say the ocean is purple.

 

I'm certain that at least two, maybe all three of Wilson, Fields and Lance will grade high.

He won't be able to trade Sam unless he picks up the 5th year option or signs Sam to an extension, as Sam will be a FA following the 2021 season. If picks up the 5th year option where Sam is due $25 million in 2022, no one will trade for Sam if he has a bad season or even if it's inconsistent, and they may not trade for him even if we've signed him to a cheaper extension.

The more important point is it's just nuts to bypass taking a QB this season when the class of QBs is MUCH better than it's going to be in 2022 and we don't have to burn draft capital to take one. If we take a QB at #2 and he doesn't pan out, it will hurt a lot, but not nearly as much as if we wait and then burn three 1st round picks and more trading up for a lesser QB and he doesn't pan out. Because we used the pick to either take Smith or Sewell or traded down and got several players, the team would be a lot better next season, and we'd be drafting a lot lower even if Sam played the way he has the last couple of years because we'd have a better team. It would just make it more and more difficult to get a topnotch QB.

The best and only real way to ensure that we have topnotch QB going forward and improve our team as quickly as possible, is to use the #2 pick on one of Wilson, Fields or Lance, and trade Sam for whatever we can get, and use that pick to address another hole.

 

Good, Rich. Have them give us their #1 pick for Sam so we can test it and see what happen! I'll weep for joy when we use that pick to add Kadarius Toney or Rashod Bateman or Pat Freiermuth or Trey Smith or a DE, CB or LB to the team that will help us from day one and for the next 10 years.

 

Too bad Kiper isn't a GM.

 

No, it isn't. Sorry, but that's simply not true. It's not better than Lawrence's, Wilson's, Fields' or Lance's, and because of his inaccuracy, it may not be better than Jones' or Trask's, either. The only QBs who would be worse would be some schlubs picked in a middle or lower round.

 

Because he will be a FA after the season. What's the point of bringing Darnold back to sit on our bench? We'll have a rookie QB, Morgan and the vet FA we sign. We're not keeping 4 QBs, and we're not giving Darnold a new contract or $25 million to sit on the bench. Sorry, but that's nuts.

 

I think it's less about next year's crop potentially not being that rich (can always change) and more about the bevy of options available not only in the draft but free agency as well. We can realistically add a veteran to start this season, draft an explosive prospect to sit for a year and add a free agent weapon and a drafted weapon.

It's a really nice scenario and we should avoid sitting on our hands. Not to mention that the entire league is making QB moves so it's not like everyone is all in on the same guys. Assuming Baker/Allen/Jackson all get re-signed (which I think they will) and maybe two first round QB prospects (one of which has massive question marks in Howell) there's not going to be much out there.

 

Normally, I would agree with the bold, but not in this situation. Even a 4th or 5th round pick would be better than keeping him. The Jets aren't keeping 4 QBs. What's the point of paying Darnold $10 million to sit on the bench, paying another vet $5-$8 million to start, and then Morgan being the backup, and then the Jets missing out on very good QB prospects in this draft. The cost of that alone is more than trading Sam for only a 4th round pick or worse. Also, if we keep him, and he doesn't show significant improvement, his value will likely plummet even more and we might be lucky to get a 6th round compensatory pick for him versus a possible 2nd or even 1st round pick this year. I don't think Darnold present ANY value to the Jets this season. There will be the cost of paying him. There's the cost of passing on a potential FQB in the draft and likely not being able to get a QB next year either. There's the cost of the higher draft pick we won't get in a trade for him this year. There's the cost of not having our new QB here to design/build our offense around, and it delaying our offense coming together at least a year, and possibly 2-3 years or more. If we are only offered a 4th round pick or worse, that player could still have turned out to be a very good STs player, or a solid role player/depth, and maybe even a very good starter.

 

Sam can be the 'veteran' quarterback that starts rather than a lower round draft pick. If he plays well then we have a good scenario on our hands. We wouldn't be signing a veteran QB if we draft one and keep him. I'd take a third or higher or just retain him and decline the fifth year option.