Yah but not all picks are equal....the issue is we’d be giving up our top premium picks, especially #2 overall. In this scenario, yes we’d have 22 picks left but 12 of them are 5th round or worse. That’s not great...those are special teams guys mostly and sometimes you hit on a starter but not often. Personally, I’m not against trading for Watson...I think he’s a great player and would make us worlds better. But I think three first round picks if one of them is 2 overall is a bit steep for me. That makes me hesitate. Not saying it can’t work, but I’d think twice about it. Watson is great. They were still 4-12 as great as he is. I’m not anxious to get into a similar situation. JD has built up a war chest ... now he has options, which is great. The way I see it, there are basically three roads 1. use a huge chunk of that chest to trade for Watson, trade Darnold, and use the rest of the war chest to build around Watson as best we can....not terrible resources but not even average really...no first round pick in 2023, etc 2. use the 2 overall to draft one of Fields/Wilson/Lance/etc, trade (or keep) Darnold, and use the multiple first round picks to build around the rookie 3. keep Darnold, and use the war chest to build around him, including possibly trading down from 2 overall for even more first round picks All three options are viable options, and I don’t think there’s necessarily a right or wrong answer. From a financial cap standpoint, I think option 2 is the best one as it gets us a potentially good QB at a rookie salary for 4/5 years. But options 2 & 3 are risky propositions...Watson is a proven pro bowler, Darnold is far from it regardless of how we feel about his surroundings, and the prospects are exactly that...prospects who may be great or may bust. Who knows, right? it comes down to (a) what will it REALLY cost to get Watson, (b) how do you feel about Darnold, (c) how do you feel about the prospects, and (d) what do you think you can do with the picks...we have a lot of holes to fill my gut tells me that JD will inquire and would probably make a reasonable offer, but if the price gets out of hand I’m guessing he’ll trust his ability to evaluate and draft talent and keep the picks and the options and build up from the ground... this will be so interesting to see how this plays out
premium picks are more important. i'll give up every 4th round and later pick we have over the next 2 years for watson. they wouldn't take it. there is a huge difference in a 1st compared to a 4th rounder.
it's not per se building around sam. it's building a well rounded team. sam is irrelevant. if he plays well we are good, if not we can draft a QB next year who comes into a stable head coach in year 2 and a better team around him. and FWIW i like howell a lot more then I like fields or wilson right now
I’m shocked this board has done such a 180, I get it, Watson is a stud. However we were just having some serious disagreements about Fields and how he should be the pick at 2 because he’s a FQB in the making. Do we really want the Jets to blow up that plan to have a FQB on his rookie contract with the ability to build a good team around him? This board was pumped about Fields, Najee Harris, and another skilled position player with 2nd round pick. That’s just with the first three picks in 2021, can you guys imagine Joe just keeps on hitting on his picks next year as well?
typical forums. everyone jumps on the next big things and defends it to the death with no thought. watson is a potential shiny new thing. FWIW i'm not pumped about najee or fields and I'd only take watson at a decent price. people don't see the impact he will have on the cap soon.
The first thing I mentioned in rebutting your failed argument is that Dak will be returning from a serious knee surgery, so of course I know that he missed 12 games this year due to injury. It's arbitrary because you aren't looking at their full body of work. Over their last 3 full seasons, Deshaun Watson has higher completion percentage, higher yards/game, higher QB rating, more touchdowns, less interceptions, and more rushing yards than Dak. Prescott has been surrounded by far more talent over their careers. Like I said, if you think that Dak Prescott is arguably better than Deshaun Watson, it makes sense that you wouldn't want the Jets to trade for Watson. But you're wrong.
If the Texans deal with us they are going to want our first 3 picks this year. That is what they need and that is what our value is to them.
Plans change when 25 year old top 5 QBs become available. The good news is the Jets have more than 1 good option but it’s hardly debatable that trading for Watson is not the best option.
pick devalue every year in the future. I know we got "2 1sts" but it's valued at a 2nd and a 3rd had it been for the 2020 draft. our 2nd overall is worth more then both seattle picks. I think people want to give up too much. i'd give up the 2nd overall and seattles 1st next year. the more I think about it, the more fair that is. i'm not selling the farm for watson. we need more talent. I'm not giving up 4-5 potential pro bowlers for 1.
Point is, you need both. A team and an elite QB to win a Superbowl. Eagles winning a SB with a backup QB is an outlier. I agree, elite QB with a trash team gets you nowhere, but so does a good surrounding team with a bad/average QB. The Rams example, they still ultimately lost to an elite QB in Rodgers.
I think 2nd overall pick, Seattle's 1st next year and a 2023 1st round pick could do it. Throw in Darnold if you want. Might have to include a 2021 or 2022 3rd round pick or something like that, but I think that could do it. If they want more than that, then I'd walk away.
Well....70-something pages say that it IS debatable not trying to be cute, more so really just pointing out that we have options but they are all options....there is not one clear cut BEST option. If there were, the general consensus on this board would have gotten to it pretty quickly. but everyone has their own valuation of Watson, Fields, Wilson, Darnold, etc, held up against the value of multiple high picks. in the end it’ll come down to JD and Saleh’s valuation of those factors but so much fun to debate on here!
The #2 pick is the crux of everything regarding how much we'd be willing to give up for Watson. We have to acknowledge that the #2 is worth 2-3 first round picks all by itself. It affects the value of a hypothetical trade massively.
If you could guarantee me that Fields will be 3/4 as good as Watson, then screw the trade and keep all the picks. Unfortunately we have no idea how he will turn out. Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk
niners made it in 2019 with a poor QB rams made it in 2018 with a medicore QB eagles won in 2017 with a backup QB against an elite QB broncos won with an old injured peyton manning that was awful that year at QB in 2016 ravens won with medicore flacco giants won with medicore eli twice against the "goat" brady skews it alot but he wasn't even that good in his 1st few years. they won on defense and not turning the ball over and the tuck rule. he's won 6 our of the last 18 years and made 9 suberbowls in the last 18 years. it's insane. but he took less money to do it. no team has won with an elite QB taking up 20% of their cap. watson's cap hit will destroy building a team. most teams won with good to elite Qbs on rookie deals and drafting well around them. by your thought it makes more sense to take fields/wilson and hope they turn out elite as realistically factually that's the best chance we have to win. once that contract cap hit kicks in, your chances of winning are low. that's why brady took less money. he chose winning over money. no other Qb has done that.
it's too much. i'd throw in darnold for sure and give up the number 2 overall but no other premium picks.
And none of those teams were consistently title contenders. To build a team that is consistently able to compete for a title, you need elite QB play, good drafting, and good free agent signings. Brady/Pats, Big Ben/Steelers, Manning/Colts, Brees/Saints, Rodgers/Packers, Favre/Packers, Mahomes/Chiefs, Broncos/Elway
As I recall it, many posters were saying that we should draft Sewell at #2 or trade down for a bevy of picks, take a position player and wait for a year or two to take "a" QB, so the board wasn't behind taking Fields #2. If we don't get Watson, then that is the backup plan for me. I still love Fields, but he is only a great prospect. Watson is a proven great QB in the NFL huge difference, and he's still young, and would give the Jets instant credibility. It would be one thing if Watson was 28, but he isn't. Why hope that Fields will be great when we already know that Watson IS great?
omg you don’t please search my previous posts with about 10-12 super bowl winners with average QB’s elite QB just gives you better “odds”
