I would bet anything the embarrassment of him actually sitting out for 1 year is not worth them waiting a year for him to get back. It would be like shitting your own pants in a restaurant but still sitting through dinner just to make a point.
They could sit out, but without any NFL money and wouldn't be eligible to go back to play in college. Watson has more leverage than a rookie QB. Bret Favre demanded a trade from the Packers when they had several of control. Your point seems to be that the QB position is unique in teams being more willing to let them sit out than trade them. Well, where is your example of a team letting a QB sit out a season over a dispute? I would argue the opposite. A team builds around their QB. If a safety wants to sit out, you can plug a backup in and adjust your scheme to compensate. If a QB doesn't want to be there, or sits out, what direction is the franchise supposed to take? The Texans are better off taking the biggest haul they can get and start rebuilding their team if the reports that Watson doesn't want to take another snap for them are true. As it is, there's no reason to believe they can improve on their 4-12 season with no draft picks before round 3 and $19M over the cap.
a bit speculative but one should at least consider that Houston may want to divest. They suck. and they have a LOT of commitment money wise to a QB on a sucky team. Under present circumstances they might have buyer's remorse, and right now may be trying to salvage the situation as best they can they certainly haven't acted as if their world revolves around Watson. His NTC certainly gives him leverage so they can't simply ship him out to the highest bidder. Houston just traded Harden; in theory they could have played the you're under contract card but... Very interesting and somewhat crazy situation because you can be looking at a QB who is extremely good and still entering his prime. not the gamble you have for draft pick (even for TL) the big question is price and whether FO and CS value the QB position to give up that much draft capital and then pay 30+/year. There is a lot of negotiating "science" that says Jets FO right now should not be thinking about the Jets' problems (i.e., uncertainty at QB) and instead should be thinking about Houston's problems, e.g., does a sucky team, want that much money tied up in a disgruntled QB there is a very reasonable basis to think we can get him for something reasonable. Watson has to just want out of Houston and want in at NYJ
The Texans are royally screwed. Besides Laremy Tunsil and a extremely disgruntled star QB that wants out, they have next to nothing. No draft picks, negative cap space, nobody wants to coach that team, and almost no young promising players. If I’m Houston, I trade Watson for the #2 pick another another 2 1sts. I’d turn around and dish the #2 for another pair of firsts and just start drafting. What’s the sense in drafting a QB at 2 if he’s going to get hit 100 times a year?
Embarrassment goes away. Every dollar lost by Watson is a dollar he won’t get back. Did the Steelers seem embarrassed by Bell holding out? But how much money did Bell cost himself?
why do you think it would take a #2 and 2 other firsts then? Ordinarily that could be considered as 4 or perhaps even 5 firsts given the way a #2 could be weighed Especially since Watson can say no to trades, why wouldn't we stop short of that, e.g., two ordinary firsts (e.g., Seattle's) and Sam, or perhaps #2 and another first. if there weren't a NTC of course you need the highest bid of anyone bidding. But with a NTC you only need the highest of those Watson is interested in.
It’s the same argument for any team without a QB in but drafting in the top 5. It’s just hard to have the expectation your team will be back in that position to get a QB the following year. Then you can get stuck around 8-8 for a while and never really have the premium QB available when you pick. It’s up to preference, but it makes sense to strike on a QB when you’re in range.
I absolutely believe the Texans would trade him for a historic haul. But absent of that they have no need to trade him. He won’t sit out, and even if he sits out a year he has nowhere to go — for four years — but back to the Texans or not play, lose $120 million and destroy his impact on the history of the NFL. I’m not arguing QB’s in general are worth letting them sit out a year, I’m arguing Watson — a young, elite QB who they have for five years, is worth having him sit out a year because his value for the subsequent four is greater than one lost season.
You can’t seriously be comparing an elite 25 year old QB to a late 20’s RB. Also, When you’re Watson, and you drop $1.5 million on a car, do you really think he’s panicking over dollars he misses out on? QB’s are the only players in football who can actually expect to have a 12-15 year career.
I’m not comparing players, I’m presenting an example of an organization not embarrassed by a disgruntled employee sitting out. I’m not sure how you are confused by that. the idea that organizations would make bad decisions to save themselves embarrassment is a meritless claim unless you can cite some example, otherwise you are simply making up fictional premises in hopes of defending your position. You know why he can drop $1.5 million on a car — because he knows he has $130 million more coming. You think he’d spend that if he was about to make $0 for the next five years to avoid posting for the Texans? You should probably think these stupid examples through a little; they aren’t helping your position.
I must have missed your first post on this then. I don't think the Jets are going to get Watson for anything less than #2, 2 other 1st round picks, and a 3rd round pick this year. It might cost them #2, both '22 1st round picks and a '23 1st round pick. I don't know if that is a historic haul, but I think the Texans would take that rather than have the only valuable asset in their franchise, sit out a year only to eventually return as a disgruntled QB and face of their franchise or be traded at some future date, pushing off the rebuild at least a year.
The idea of trading two 1s for Watson is total madness when you look at how much talent we lack on this team. I think Watson is a good QB and could be a good fit here, but only if we get him at the right price.
Before we break the bank and draft picks on Watson. His teams W-L record last year was bad despite his great #s. Also how would you compare the offense talent of Texans vs The Jets? Bcuz we cans ship the picks and take his contract but is it going to translate into Wins? If we are making a trade to land a superstar then we are doing things for the wrong reasons. If we are making a trade to pick up a piece that will lead us to playoffs and further then it makes sense. I dont see us having better talent at the moment than Texans, and I think we are more than a couple of pieces away. Therefore I would approach this trade with caution. If the want 2 1sts and Sam fine, other than that walk away. It's not worth losing picks for a guy who is shown that he will cause a headache if hes not happy. I dont like players who are more into their brand and share their emotions with social media vs the team.
Yes, the Texans would be foolish to pass that up. Absent of a team coming with that type of trade, they will keep him and Watson will have to decide what’s worse — playing for the Texans or not playing football for half a decade and forfeiting $130 million.
Running backs are replaceable, no team should be embarrassed by a running back sitting out. Only a guy like Jerry Jones is. Franchise QB is a completely different story, and it’s apples to oranges. There’s no need for condescension by the way. Just answer this. What does the GM say in his preseason press conference when every reporter in Houston is asking how they can expect to improve on a 4-12 record without Deshaun Watson, no 1st round pick, and most likely without Brandin Cooks and JJ Watt?
#2 pick this year, one of the first-round picks in 2022, 2022 3rd round pick, 2023 1st round pick, and Sam Darnold. I'd be cool offering that. The Jets would still own Seattle's first-rounder this year, still have another 1st round pick in 2022, and they own 2 5th round picks and 3 6th round picks in 2022, so could surrender a 2022 3rd round pick. 2023 1st rounder could almost be irrelevant if you figure the Jets will be big-time contenders then. Sam Darnold would be irrelevant here with Watson. If the Texans still say no to that sort of offer, then I'd walk away at that point.
