Do you remember Sanchez? Darnold is way better than Sanchez. Had Sam been on those teams they likely would've won a SB.
I just feel like almost every single highly drafted QB ends up in a bad situation. To varying degrees, yes, but good teams aren't in spots to get top QB's. Every top QB joins a bad team and most of them still perform a hell of a lot better than Sam has.
The big difference is that most of those teams made MAJOR changes to their team - CS< talent, etc - after getting their new QB. Look at the Bills for a recent example. In contrast the Jets did nothing to change - they kept the GM that had passed on Mahomes and Watson, and hadn't drafted an OL, then hired a proven failure as the coach to replace the proven failure they fired. If you wanted to write a script for how to destroy a new QB, just plagiarize the one the Jets wrote.
I wrote that myself a few months ago.....they would have won at least one of those AFC title games and possibly a Super a Bowl.
Exactly. Whatever Darnold’s true value is will go up a round during the season when a decent team loses their starting QB before the trade deadline. If he could fetch say a third round pick in March - I’m willing to bet Jerry Jones would have gladly traded a second round pick for him after the Dak injury.....
On a good day for Sam , he still had more turnovers than tds. What would you trade for Sam if the shoe was on the other foot. If we gave up anything more than a 4 for Sam people would be going insane. He is 3 yrs into a career where he has done nothing. Would you trade a 4 th for Trubisky, no and he has much better career numbers than Darnold. It is not even close
I agree. Another thing that bothers me a lot about how they lost the Raiders game. Instead of us enjoying our first victory of the season & the end of 0-16 talk and how Darnold bounced back from a rough first half to will the team to victory people continue to throw dirt on his grave. Darnold was robbed of a signature victory. I'm seeing signs of growth from him the way he (should've) won the Raiders game and his comments about how the team misses Jamal Adams to me is a sign of leadership. He has to become consistant and stay healthy. No one can do more to end the Trevor Lawrence talk and extend his time as the starting QB here than him. He gets four more tries. Seattle is a tough spot I don't know if they'll get that one but we'll see.
If nothing changes between now and end of season I think at worst we’d be able to get a 3rd round pick for Darnold. Tyrol Taylor went for a 3rd and had none of the upside that Darnold comes with.
It's a team sport though. All 4 of those teams are better than the Jets, even if Sam continues to improve each week. With Lawrence and Fields around the corner, I think Sam's time with the Jets is done even if he plays great to end this season. That is why this thread was made. To see what he is worth. Yeah, Douglas will get a good deal. I still say a 1st or 2nd at worst but it could be a package like a 2 and a 4 or a 3 and a 2 in 2022. Something like that if teams aren't comfortable giving up a 1st Round pick. I think one will be though.
How can you say Sam was "robbed of a victory" when he had 3 turnovers? He's a big reason the victory didn't happen. I just don't understand how anyone can think like this lol. Sam had a better game than he usually does but it was still a bad game.
There is a weird mindset going on around here where people believe what they want to believe over the truth. Darnold played great in the 4th quarter and led us to what should have been a victory. He was robbed of it by one of the worst defensive play calls in NFL history. If people think that pointing out Darnold led us to a great 4th quarter comeback is funny or stupid they are simply being ignorant of the objective truth. Not only did he do it, he did it with free rusher in his face most of the time. At the same time Becton was great at run blocking and terrible at pass blocking. He is far more responsible for the two blind side fumbles then Darnold. He was a turn style on several pass plays. Becton's play was as much a part of what cost us the game as the last play. But nobody around here is going to say, "Oh Becton's pass blocking was a big part of why we lost". A hard truth is that our star OT played a large role in helping us lose on Sunday. Maybe he is still a little dinged up? Who knows? Becton has shown a weakness and we hope (need) it to be a one time thing. Just because we are in love with Becton don't blame Darnold for his failures. What we really need to say is "I hope Darnold continues to build on the Raiders game and I hope Becton's pass protection bounces back from the Raiders game".
His performance is nothing more than an average game for an NFL quarterback. It's the first game he moved the ball in the second half when he needed to and was aided by a running game that absolutely gutted the Raiders. People are supposed to be encouraged because he totaled 212 total yards when he had an excellent performance by the supporting cast? I mean - that game looks like the ceiling for the kid. I think that's why most people knock it down further than maybe it should be knocked down.
That is not the point at all. I'm not saying people should be encouraged or advocating for Darnold's return. I'm saying we were down 11 points in the 4th quarter and Sam led us on back to back TD drives. He did it with his arm, his legs, and solid decision making. I re-watched the game last night and Darnold played great in crunch time. Who cares about the numbers. People have regressed into using Darnold as a punching bag for all of our offensive problems and it is not fair.
Totally disagree with this. Who's the say the game would've even been close in the 4th quarter if Sam hadn't turned it over 3 times? Who's to say it would've been close if Sam had thrown for 100 more yards? 200 yards passing is not good for a modern NFL QB. I'm not saying it was entirely Sam's fault but to act like he played lights out and was "robbed" is crazy.
That's the point though. He lead two good drives in the second half dude. Probably the first two good drives that have actually mattered this season when he's been under center. So we can say - he had his first two good drives in 8 second halves this season and played great against one of the NFL's worst pass defenses. Prior to last week he had went 19 quarters without throwing a touchdown pass. He's thrown for over 200 yards twice in eight starts.
Again I totally disagree. I think if anything our fans perpetually overrate Sam. I see plenty of people saying he has "top 10 potential" or that he's "shown flashes". It's all BS, he is literally among the worst QB's in the NFL if we look at the bulk of the evidence.
The truth is somewhere in the middle. No, Darnold is not a good QB, and may never be. But to ignore the impact of the decisions on the sideline is also wrong. Just look at the running game last game: when Gase was forced to not use Gore, they had their best running attack all season, which in turn, opened up things for Darnold. That's no coincidence. Had Darnold been able to have that kind of support for the majority of his time here, he'd be a much better QB. Maybe still not great, but I maintain he'd be good enough to win a SB with a good supporting cast. At this point though he's badly damaged, and I don't know if he can be salvaged, if he can, it will likely be with another team that has those ingredients to surround him with.
I remember Sam playing well in the second half in Denver. Your trying to throw up the past to discredit what he did on Sunday, while also ignoring the problems we had. Has he had his full set of WR's to develop chemistry with? Has the opposing team ever had to respect our running game? How good has our pass protection really been? Or our play calling and second half adjustments? Its pretty easy to stop a QB in the 2nd half when the offense doesn't make any adjustments Most of the QBs your comparing Sam to have all these things on a regular basis. We gave Sam the help and he stepped up to deliver us a win. Give credit where credit is due. (Or you can blame him for being blindsided a second and a half after the snap like posters who have a college QB as their avatar.)
