It is very encouraging to see JD be reflective, humble and admit a mistake. This is the direct opposite of the Gase philosophy. This makes me happy to see.
Good sign to see him learn from mistakes but I also wouldn't call this that big of a mistake. Bringing Robby back would still have as at 0-8. Maybe we win the Denver game.
Look, if they had kept Robby, there is no guarantee that he would've done what he's done for Carolina, especially under Gase and Patton Oswalt. And their record would still likely be 0-8. Moreover, Robby has not had the most stable history - there was a fair chance that once he got his payday he would do something stupid. Finally, from what was reported, he was demanding a lot more than he ultimately accepted from Carolina, and wasn't offering a "hometown discount" to the Jets. In hindsight it would've been good to retain him especially at the lower price..it would've no doubt helped Darnold which is a big plus all by itself. But if this is the worst mistake that Douglas makes, it will pale in comparison to the ones made by Macc, Idzik, Tanny, and the majority of other Jets GMs. Now, if we find out that he really IS pushing to keep Gase as HC, then I'm done.
Actually that is very unfair on the trouble front, he has two incidents, one a supposed racist cop, charges dropped and then the speeding ticket with the alleged nut in your wife's eye comment also dropped and no way does that get dropped if it actually happened. And both of these incidents were over 2 years ago, clean as a whistle since. Don't do the lad dirty to protect somebody's error. He would never have got those numbers here because of Gase, not because of his talent level. A level a lot of people on here were adamant he didn't possess.
Perhaps unfair? Maybe. But reputations aren't based upon legalities, they're based upon perceptions. And dropped doesn't prove his innocence or guilt either way. I don't know if these incidents played into Douglas's decision, but JD has said on multiple occasions that he wants certain types of players, and that character matters, and maybe he just didn't want to take the chance that Robby would do something stupid. He was looking for "star" money, and the truth is he wasn't a proven star up until now, and that's using a generous definition of what constitutes a star. But in the scheme of things, if they could've kept him for the salary he's getting now, I would've liked that. Even being misused by Gase he still would've provided some excitement, which is far more than anything Gase is capable of providing.
What he has done for the Panthers he has done for us when McCown was QB it was only his injury that stopped Robby smashing 1k and then a pair of useless OC's follow and barely make use of him in plenty of games until in desperation they turn to him and he then gets a good 100 yarder with a TD or 2, imo he has been unlucky with legit reasons as to why he hadn't hit this stupidly mythical 1k yard marker, he could under better circumstances had 3 and then would any of the doubters called him out? Again you use supposition in what JD was thinking and if he believed Robby had or didn't have character issues, these things you do not actually know what is the actual truth. The truth is he had two issues, charges dropped both times and then had 3 years with a clean nose and JD didn't want to pay him 12m. 12m wasn't star money really, it was on the high side that is for sure but if he thought he was worth that then that is his prerogative to ask for it, he wasn't wrong at the end of the day was he?
If Joe were here and watched RA go from an undrafted FA to a good WR that continued to develop he probably would have given him a contract without even thinking twice about it, at the end of the day it’s about having weapons around the QB, and having RA with Mims and Crowder would have been a lot better than Berrios, Crowder and 5 game wonder Perriman! I believe Joe is also admitting his mistake in public to send a private message to Gase, I’m not listening to the HC anymore when it comes to re-signing players. I believe RA would have been signed by JD if Gase had not meddled. Hopefully Gase is not here to meddle next year when JD continues to put his stamp on this team.
False. Not because of Gase, but because of Sam. Jarvis Landry under Gase (only 2 years) combined for 206 receptions, 2,123 receiving yards, 13 TD receptions and 2 Pro Bowl selections during his only two seasons alongside of Gase. Sam Darnold is the real "WR Killer".
Of course I don't know "the actual truth" - do you? Do you know exactly why those charges were dropped? Maybe there was good cause for the charges, but because he's a "celebrity", or for other reasons the decided to drop them. And by that I'm not arguing that he was guilty, or that he's a bad apple or a troublemaker, I'm just suggesting a reason that Douglas might've decided to let him go. Why is that such a problem for you? It's simple conjecture, something which you and I and everyone else here does all the time. Whether $12 million is or isn't "star" money isn't really the issue, the issue is salary cap. The plain fact is that Douglas has a limit on how much he gets to spend on players, and if he gives Robby more than he he judges him to be worth, he then prevents himself from being able to pay some other player, perhaps some really needed FA like a true #1 WR or stud pass rusher or OL, and he had to make that determination before a lot of things we now know were known to him then. Even so, Douglas "sort of" admitted MAYBE making a mistake in allowing Robby to leave. Bottom line: this isn't something I'd demand that Douglas be fired for.
See this is where we differ (bolded bit) I would answer your question as straight-up 'no I don't, you answer with no I don't and then invent a reason why they would be dropped, but if I played that game I would say they have been dropped because they had zero evidence and then if I upped the ante a little I would say that if a black man in a deserted one street town said I'm gonna nut in your wifes eye cop, then that cop (who obviously didn't have his camera switched on, as he then would have the proof Robby said those words) would have taken him down a dark alley and beat the shit out of him and called it resisting arrest.' Now I will move onto your new misdirection on the 12m you said star money now it is cap restraint, what cap restraint we are swimming in cap space, But I will play the supposition game and say he was let go because Gase is an absolute arse who didn't want him or thought he couldn't use him because he thought he was just a speedster and Gase has no use for those with his poxy pit a pat offence. The bottom line is I never asked for him to be fired either? Anyway, I don't want to fall out about it, it just pisses me off that people throw the 'Robby is trouble' reason into the mix as an excuse for whatever the argument.
You really are just a dumb fuck, in some small brain mentality you quote the only guy defending Robby to bitch some shit about Darnold, ignoring the fact that he had two 700+ seasons with Sam throwing the ball at him and it is commonly accepted that they had a good connection together. Now Gase killed Robby because he only turned to him when desperate rather than include him as part of his plan A, starving him of targets a lot of the time, the same as Bates before him, two clueless fuckers, well 3 if I include you but the latter is a given really.
I don't want to fall out either, nor continue to argue, but I need to point out that I never said "Robby is trouble", I simply threw that out as a possible reason that Douglas didn't want to keep him. Since Douglas didn't say, no one knows. Again, my main point is that this isn't grounds for firing Douglas or even saying he sucks as some here have said.
Well, I agree on the latter as that wasn't my reason for posting, the only way I will turn against JD is if Gase is back in charge next season and even then I won't as I will not be bothering with them again for the foreseeable future and will no longer give a shit.
He also miscalculated the value and ability of Perriman and Desir along with a bunch of JAG O-Lineman he brought in.
Yeah I thought he goofed on that. Pretty bad right out the box he thought that was a good idea to let him walk. Hopefully Douglas learns from his mistakes.
Our WR room is worst in NFL by far, so Robbie here would have helped, he is legit. Perriman has injury history, and has turned out to be a problem again. Mims looks like he might be good, maybe not #1 but definitely a legit NFL receiver. Crowder is really good slot, but drops too many in my opinion. So really a depth issue, and the cane to fruition due to all the injuries. The rest of them are borderline NFL receivers and that’s being generous. And I am including the TEs. Sometimes I feel badfor Darnold this year, we are not doing him any favors. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
