I understand less than ideal circumstances and unfortunate situations for an NFL QB but for Sam Darnold the excuses are over regardless of coaching staff and surrounding players etc because he's ranked dead last and 32nd amongst all NFL Starting QBs with an absolutely disgusting QB Rating of 65. Guys like Lock, Wentz, Newton, Jones, Foles, Haskins Jr, Mayfield (same draft class), Cousins, Jimmy G, Murray, Jackson (same draft class), Mineshew, Goff, Fitzpatrick, Carr, Teddy (who we traded away in favor of Sam), Allen (same draft class), Herbert (rookie), Burrow (rookie), Rivers (brand new offense) etc etc and the list goes on and on - are all playing better football than Sam (an absolute bust) @ QB. Herbert as a rookie has a QB Rating of 104.5. Joe Burrow as a rookie has a QB Rating of 91.4 and putting up some of the greatest Rookie passing statistics of All Time. For the BENGALS! and showing the NFL world exactly why he put up the greatest single season NCAA passing statistics of All Time last year (because he's an absolute stud of a QB already). Rex Ryan was right when on National TV he made it known that DANIEL JONES is a better QB than Sam Darnold and Jones on a 1-6 Giants team has a QB Rating of 73.7 (which still stinks). And MINESHEW of the JAGUARS is even @ 94.4! A career loser in Fitzpatrick had a QB Rating of 95.0 and was STILL BENCHED for a rookie Tua. Tua as a rookie is even at 82.3 after two games. And Tanny of Tennessee is @ 109.8 and before you blame "Gase" for Sam please understand and comprehend that during Tanny's only two seasons alongside Gase in Miami he had QB Ratings of 92.7 and 93.5!!! SAM DARNOLD?!?!? 65.9!!!! Not all QBs are Brady, Rodgers, Big Ben, Wilson, Mahomes, Watson or Brees etc but they for damn sure aren't SAM DARNOLD either because Sam is in a league of his own as the 32nd and dead last rated QB here in year #3 and that's absolutely pathetic. 30th in completion percentage @ 58.6 and only ahead of Lock and Wentz in accuracy? 32nd in passing yards per game @ 174.2? 32nd in QB Rating @ 65.9 and dead last? 34th in TDS thrown with only 3 meaning that two backup's have more TDs than him? I've always been a defensive minded fan just look @ my user name. When I watch opposing QBs I watch them from an eye view of a man who loves Defense for some weird reason and as I watch Sam Darnold with that same view point? Literally nothing he does puts fear into my heart like so many great QBs I've grew up watching throughout the NFL. So when Rex Ryan put his defensive reputation on the line and made it known DANIEL JONES is a better QB than Sam Darnold? An ex great DC who knows how to game plan against opposing QBs? Man. Those words from Rex were alarming to me and Rex wasn't evaluating these two QBs due to O Lines, RBs, WRs and TEs surrounding them he was simply going off of pound to pound QB ability and Rex knows a crap QB when he spots one because Rex even had to implement GREEN LIGHT AND RED LIGHT signals for a younger Sanchez during PRACTICE! If Rex ever had an opportunity to face off against Sam? All he would do is send exotic blitz packages every single play; and that's because he KNOWS Sam can not read NFL defenses. At all. Whatsoever. Another USC BUST is all Sam Darnold can ever become. Trevor Lawrence can not get here soon enough.
I don't see why not. He was drafted during the 4th round, right. So if you're 0-8? And have a bust QB with the worst QB Rating (dead last and 32nd) starting for you currently? Why not play your 4th round Morgan kid asap? What's the point of wasting a 4th round pick on him if you'd rather play JOE FLACCO in replace of Sam, instead of James Morgan? That pick of James Morgan never made any sense to me and still to this day it's confusing me on why JD drafted him to begin with? What was the point?
If I recall Morgan plays predominately from shotgun. Okay? Does that stop him for trying out as the starter? Many experts questioned JD selecting Morgan at 4 though many like his arm, his efficacy rate, his intelligence and awareness. I also recall that Gase said he was very impress of him and likes his throws during August workouts. Well do we trust Gase’s instincts? as bad Gase is coaching maybe he has an eye for prospects. Who knows? Give Morgan a shot!
He re-aggravated his shoulder again. Gase is hoping he can play Monday but at this point, sit him let his shoulder heal until after the bye. Makes 0 sense putting him out there when you can tell his velocity on his passes are down due to the hurt shoulder.
I'm all for that. There's nothing that Flacco can show anyone, or any chance he improves their chances of winning. Darnold is hurt...let him sit and recover (if he can). Let's see what Morgan can do. From the little I've seen of him I like his arm and his instincts. Maybe he's a diamond in the rough, another Brady? What's the worst that can happen?
I have to laugh at the mention of Gase having an eye for talent remember who he brought up from Miami last yr he had him in his system for 2 yrs and the kid sucked. Saying Gase has an eye for talent is an insult to the players he let go or traded that have gone ont to have pretty good careers Landry s the first that comes to mind.
Throughout Sam's 3 year career he has an embarrassing and dreadful QB Rating of 78.3 (that is putrid for a 2020 QB in now a passing league) and as a QB you are what your QB Rating says you are! Career QB Ratings. Sam Darnold: 78.3. Jay Fielder: 77.1. Charlie Batch: 77.2. Josh Freeman: 77.6. Jeff Blake: 78.0. Matt Cassel: 78.5. Aaron Brooks: 78.5. Byron Leftwich: 78.9. Josh McCown: 79.7. Etc etc And this (above) is the exact type of QB that Sam Darnold is; nothing more and nothing less. He is who we thought he wasn't, which is just another USC NFL Bust. And regardless of which HC, GM, Owner, O-Line, WRs, RBs, TEs and the players who surrounded them? They were and are what their QB Rating says they are (career backups at best). It gets even worse. Single Season QB Ratings of QBs who were ranked 32nd and dead last dating back to 2000 of 20 years ago. Sam Darnold: 65.9 (2020). Andy Dalton: 78.3 (2019). Josh Rosen: 66.7 (2018). DeShone Kizer: 60.5 (2017). Ryan Fitzpatrick: 69.6 (2016). Ryan Mallett: 67.9 (2015). Blake Bortles: 69.5 (2014). Geno Smith: 66.5 (2013). Matt Cassel: 66.7 (2012). Blaine Gabbert: 65.4 (2011). Jimmy Clausen: 58.4 (2010). Jamarcus Russell: 50.0 (2009). Derek Anderson: 66.5 (2008). Kellen Clemens: 60.9 (2007). Andrew Walter: 55.8 (2006). Kyle Orton: 59.7 (2005). AJ Feeley: 61.7 (2004). Kordell Stewart: 56.8 (2003). Joey Harrington: 59.9 (2002). Jon Kitna: 61.1 (2001). Ryan Leaf: 56.2 (2000). Etc. Etc. And regardless of who their Owners, GMs, HCs, OCs, WRs, RBs, TEs and surrounding players truly were? I'm pretty sure that these 20 QBs listed above (outside of Sam) could come up with and create more excuses known to man kind on how and/or why they finished their respected NFL season(s) while rated as the worst NFL QB and dead last amongst all NFL QBs while blaming their failures on everyone else except themselves, but you know what? The NFL world wasn't buying it; they stink! The honeymoon period of "excuses" are over. Congrats Sam. You are now in a league of your own. You are now the worst NFL QB rated 32nd and dead last of 2020 - just as the crap likes of Andy Dalton, Josh Rosen, DeShone Kizer, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Ryan Mallett, Blake Bortles, Geno Smith, Matt Cassel, Blaine Gabbert, Jimmy Clausen, Jamarcus Russell, Derek Anderson, Kellen Clemens, Andrew Walter, Kyle Orton, AJ Feeley, Kordell Stewart, Joey Harrington, Jon Kitna and Ryan Leaf were rated and ranked as the worst NFL QB throughout their respected years of 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 and 2019. Where are they now? How many HOF QBs am I comparing Sam to? How many SB wins, Pro Bowls, All Pros or successful QBs is Sam Darnold being surrounded by? And how many excuses did these QBs have from their fan bases before flaming out? You are who your QB Rating says you are as a Quarterback and unfortunately, we drafted another USC & NFL 1st round bust (and for Sam, there is no coming back from this ala career backup @ best). This thread is deeper than just "Sam Darnold"; this thread is as deep as the QBs he's surrounded by...
Um... Jarvis Landry under Gase (only 2 years) combined for 206 receptions, 2,123 receiving yards, 13 TD receptions and 2 Pro Bowl selections during his only two seasons alongside of Gase so wtf are you talking about? I'm not going to sit here and defend Adam Gase but I absolutely hate false lies; because Jarvis under Gase was much better than he's been since joining Cleveland and hasn't "became better" lol. And please stop acting like Ryan Tanny wasn't a good QB under Gase, because he was and during their only two seasons together Ryan Tannehill went 13-11 and combined for 437/663 (65.9%), 4,974 passing yards, 36 TDs/21 INTs and a very good QB Rating of 93.2. What's the day about Sam?!?!?!? So please stop with this Tanny all of a sudden became good once he "escaped Gase" etc all because he landed in Tennessee and blessed with DERRICK HENRY who's their real MVP. Please understand that before Gase even ever arrived in Miami? Ryan Tannehill was already their QB for 4 years of 2012, 2013, 2014 and 2015 (Gase didn't arrive until 2016) and during Ryan's 4 years (without and before Gase) he only combined for a losing record of 29-35 and went 1,392, 2,248 (61.9%), 15,460 passing yards, 87 TDs/54 INTs and a QB Rating of only 85.2. All of this "Gase ruined Tanny" is absolute horse crap because Tanny became a better QB after Gase arrived when in comparison to his 4 years as Miami's QB before Gase ever arrived. Ryan Tannehill did NOTHING during his first 4 years as a Dolphin (before Gase ever even arrived). And fans need to stop with the lies how he got rid of some type of great RB in "Jay Ajayi" because in 2015 (without Gase) as a rookie he had a whopping 178 rushing yards and 1 TD run Compared to once Gase arrived in 2016 1,737 rushing yards and 8 rushing TDs. And after leaving Gase lol he's combined for a whopping 662 rushing yards 3 years later after leaving Miami! Jarvis Landry balled out under Gase. Ryan Tanny became a much better QB under Gase compared to his 4 losing years in Miami before Gase arrived with QB Ratings of 93 and 94. And Ajayi fell off a cliff after leaving Gase. Sam Darnold? QB Rating of 65! And once leaving SAM DARNOLD for Carolina? Robby is doing what Jarvis did under Gase and putting up Pro Bowl numbers. All of this goes to show that Sam Darnold is the real loser. I will never defend Gase but I'm not ok with people making up lies as a way of making excuses for Sam. Gase sucks way more in NY than in Miami and that's because he's been stuck with Sam Darnold. And yes. I want Gase fired too.
The fact that the Jets' starting QB was the worst staring QB in the league in going on four of the last twenty seasons (i.e. The Jets have the worst QB in the league 20% of the time), may not be the best argument that Sam has no excuse-- simply being the QB of the New York Jets appears to be the very best excuse.
You must be yet another excuse maker for Sam and have nothing to say about him being surrounded by the likes of... Career QB Ratings. Sam Darnold: 78.3. Jay Fielder: 77.1. Charlie Batch: 77.2. Josh Freeman: 77.6. Jeff Blake: 78.0. Matt Cassel: 78.5. Aaron Brooks: 78.5. Byron Leftwich: 78.9. Josh McCown: 79.7. And... Single Season QB Ratings of QBs who were ranked 32nd and dead last dating back to 2000 of 20 years ago. Sam Darnold: 65.9 (2020). Andy Dalton: 78.3 (2019). Josh Rosen: 66.7 (2018). DeShone Kizer: 60.5 (2017). Ryan Fitzpatrick: 69.6 (2016). Ryan Mallett: 67.9 (2015). Blake Bortles: 69.5 (2014). Geno Smith: 66.5 (2013). Matt Cassel: 66.7 (2012). Blaine Gabbert: 65.4 (2011). Jimmy Clausen: 58.4 (2010). Jamarcus Russell: 50.0 (2009). Derek Anderson: 66.5 (2008). Kellen Clemens: 60.9 (2007). Andrew Walter: 55.8 (2006). Kyle Orton: 59.7 (2005). AJ Feeley: 61.7 (2004). Kordell Stewart: 56.8 (2003). Joey Harrington: 59.9 (2002). Jon Kitna: 61.1 (2001). Ryan Leaf: 56.2 (2000). So if pointing out the truth of the likes who Sam shares company with is considered "spam" throughout your eyes? Well, then; you'll just have to eat it. (Your Sam Darnold thread below) https://forums.theganggreen.com/threads/happy-birthday-sam.92454/ Should I say sorry for not wishing Sam a spam HAPPY BIRTHDAY, like you did?
Nope. Because QBs like Geno, Fitz and Kellen never went on to do jack squat after leaving NYJ. He is who his QB Ratings say he is with or without the Jets. Andy Dalton: 78.3 (2019). Josh Rosen: 66.7 (2018). DeShone Kizer: 60.5 (2017). Ryan Mallett: 67.9 (2015). Blake Bortles: 69.5 (2014). Matt Cassel: 66.7 (2012). Blaine Gabbert: 65.4 (2011). Jimmy Clausen: 58.4 (2010). Jamarcus Russell: 50.0 (2009). Derek Anderson: 66.5 (2008). Andrew Walter: 55.8 (2006). Kyle Orton: 59.7 (2005). AJ Feeley: 61.7 (2004). Kordell Stewart: 56.8 (2003). Joey Harrington: 59.9 (2002). Jon Kitna: 61.1 (2001). Ryan Leaf: 56.2 (2000). Can't blame "the Jets" either. When you're the 32nd and dead last rated QB amongst all other NFL QBs? You're the problem. Just like the rest of them.
I look forward to revisiting this issue in 20 years, when the Jets have added 4 more QBs to the bottom of the list and are tanking for #5.
You're thinking wins and loses (not ERA). Wins and loses don't show how good or bad a pitcher is/was but you're wrong; because ERA does. Career ERAs (and if career wise you're anywhere in the high 2's and lower 3's you're a, great pitcher). Clayton Kershaw: 2.5 era. Jacob deGrom: 2.6 era. Kyle Hendricks; 3.1 era. Corey Kluber: 3.1 era. Stephen Strasbourg: 3.1 era. Gerrit Cole: 3.1 era. Max Schezer: 3.2 era. David Price: 3.3 era. Justin Verlander: 3.3. Blake Snell: 3.2. Etc. Etc. And my personal 10 favorite pitchers all time who I grew up collecting baseball cards and researching as a kid? Dwight Gooden: 3.5 era. Randy Johnson: 3.2 era. Nolan Ryan: 3.1 era. Pedro Martinez: 2.9 era. Roger Clemens: 3.1 era. Greg Maddux: 3.2 era. John Smoltz: 3.3 era. Tom Glavine: 3.5 era. Curt Schilling: 3.4 era. Mo Rivera (closer): 2.2 era. Etc etc (just to name a few). Look. Until you can list me 20 MLB (former or current) MLB pitchers with ERA's in the 5's, 6's and godforsaken ERA's of 7+ who were ever considered good let alone, great? You can never talk to be about a pitchers ERA, again (in regards to how good to great they truly were). 1.) 2.) 3.) 4.) 5.) 6.) 7.) 8.) 9.) 10.) 11.) 12.) 13.) 14.) 15.) 16.) 17.) 18.) 19.) 20.). Lol. Good luck man. ERA is the same as QB Rating; you are what your individual statistical performance of production says you are. And a career QB Rating (here in the 2000s) of 78.3 is mediocre at best and a 2020's QB Rating of 65.9 is not only dead last rated 32nd but it's also absolute proof of bust worthy candidate.
I understand the frustration but if we get blessed with Trevor Lawrence #1 overall, that won't be the case. Just go back and look at the win/loss records and absolute statistical production and NCAA performance of Kellen. Sanchez Geno and Darnold. And then look at Trevor Lawrence and you'll notice it's mind boggling. Trevor Lawrence is a generational QB; and none of the above were (coming out). How many (NFL) SBs as Franchise(s) did the Broncos, Patriots, Seahawks, Packers, Saints, 49ers, Colts and CHIEFS have before... Elway/Manning (X2), Brady, Wilson, Favre/Rodgers, Montana/Young and MAHOMES combine for???!? Exactly. The end. The impact that GENERATIONAL QBs will make for a Franchise and fan base can not be understated. The problem isn't "just the Jets" the problem with the Jets is that we haven't featured a true generational QB since dating back to the 1960's with Namath (KC actually just won their 1st SB since the 60's after landing Mahomes) etc. The Jets land a GENERATIONAL QB such as Trevor and not just another Sanchez/Darnold type of USC NFL bust and we'll have a great Future awaiting us while our past becomes a thing of the past because college QBs like Kellen/Geno were never going to get it done to begin with...
