yes this is true as well I do remember when JD first got here that he changed the way the scouts were to evaluate players....I don’t recall all of the details but I seem to remember he introduced a new grading system, and increased the emphasis on player fit into our program look...there is no doubt we’ve had horrendous GMs, as evidenced by their subsequent job experience.... Tannenbaum got a second shot in Miami but it didn’t last long, he filed, and he’s no longer in the NFL...I believe he’s an agent now? Idzik will never get a GM gig again...frankly I’m surprised that another team hired him to be honest, but he’s back in his financial role and not involved in player evaluations....I thought it was Jacksonville but I could be wrong there. MacCagnon is not in the NFL and seems to have fallen off the face of the earth.... no idea what he’s doing either way, I don’t think ANY of these clowns ever sniffs a GM job again Tannenbaum was the only one with some success that enabled him to get a second gig our GM list is dreadful and is the reason we are here now....let’s hope JD changes all this...at least he is the only one here who actually had the resume, pedigree, and recommendations to get a shot at the GM seat
You shouldn't look at his production elsewhere, the issue is how much $$ would it have taken to keep him, how many years and when would the talent on the rest of the team catch up to make his signing useful. I'd argue that this team won't be a true contender until the 2022 season so signing Robbie to a 2 yr $20mm deal is pissing into the wind. The timing didn't work and I'd rather have a GM that realizes this and blows it up while loading up a war chest to spend in FA and load up on draft picks. Wasting $$ on Robbie would do nothing for this team and would take away from the FA pool this off-season.
I don't agree with that methodology to signing or re-signing players at all. With that mentality we'll never sign a good player. NFL teams can be turned around rather quickly. 2016 Rams (4-12) to 2017 Rams (11-5) 2010 49ers (6-10) to 2011 49ers (13-3) 2005 Jets (4-12) to 2006 Jets (10-6) 2015 Titans (3-13) to 2016 Titans (9-7) There are a lot more. We'll see it with some teams this year too. It's inexcusable to be as bad as the Jets have been for as long as they've been. Usually these fixes are centered around fixing the offensive line, adding a new coach and quarterback as well.
If Douglas felt he was worth the money and part of the future he could have signed him to a longer term deal, but he didn’t and I don’t entirely blame him. Anderson hadn’t earned a long term contract. I can certainly look at his production this season to get an idea of what the Jets had, though, similar to how Mathis exploded after getting away from the Jets. Not signing him didn’t exactly break my heart, but it’s one of the few decisions Douglas has made that I think is debatable.
The Pats lost again. Same coach but no Brady. GM's are much more important than NFL coaches. Let Douglas do his job and when the team has enough talent he will pick a quality coach. By the way Bell looked as slow as ever.
Obviously, imo it makes total sense. A GM's job is to work with the HC to form a vision for the team and get the kinds of players that the HC wants. Initially, that's what Douglas has been doing. That's probably the main reason why Anderson wasn't re-signed (in addition to possibly being limited by the Johnsons in what he could spend.). He has now seen enough to know that Gase isn't a competent HC and/or the right HC for this team. With regards to Bell, of course it was Douglas who decided to keep Bell. Douglas knew that Gase didn't like or want Bell, but there was nothing Douglas could do about it. He couldn't have gotten rid of Bell initially because of the cap hit the Jets would have taken, because no team was going to trade for Bell with that contract, the Johnsons probably wouldn't have allowed it, the resultant furor in the media and fanbase, and I'm sure that he was expecting and hoping that Gase would adapt and start using a player like Bell. When Gase refused to adapt and use Bell in the right way this season, and their relationship started going south, Douglas knew that Gase was the problem, and he had to get rid of Bell. Douglas was forced to trade Adams even though he wanted to keep him, because Adams wasn't having any part of Gase. The recent purge is because Douglas believes that there's no way that Gase will be back as HC, and decided to do what is best for the team long term. He has seen how inept the Gase-coached team has been and how players are very unhappy with Gase and want him gone. He tried to support his former colleague, and perhaps friend, but now has to do what he knows best for the team going forward. No, he isn't admitting anything. Again, he kept Bell because Bells can still play, it would have been impossible to trade him, and initially he was hoping for the best, i.e., to win as many games as possible and for Gase to build upon the end of last season. He kept Williamson for basically the same reasons. No one was going to trade for a player coming off an ACL injury, or at least not give anything near his worth. Since the Johnsons aren't going to fire Gase mid-season, and the season is now lost, Douglas is doing what he should, getting what he can for older veteran players and preparing for next season and going forward.
Is this really the case? Or is it that some organizations,the Steelers being one,know how to DEVELOP draft picks?
You're looking at it on JD's side of the equation enough to make one believe that Gase doesn't care and abides by whatever JD does. You're forgeting 2 important things: 1. CJ gave his support in backing Gase, and has not stated other to this fact and 2. Gase is still the head coach. What HC in their right mine would see a GM scavenge a team and been told 'you're finished and will be fired, lets get rid of some key players to make you really look bad"? That's essentially what you are saying. Is Gase that dumbstuck and stupid to think this? Gase is more involved in this than you think. You have yet to answer my question as to the logic of all this based on what team in the past has followed this procedure to get rid of players and keep the HC. I've never seen this method of tanking before with or without the HC being involved. Maybe I'm wrong but your hypothetical scenarios are no better than mine, but I hope I am wrong.
It’s not a dichotomy of tank or playoffs. Even if the Jets somehow had an 8-8 season which would have been a bit of a miracle and gotten the last WC spot they would not have been competitive in the playoffs. 8-8 or thereabouts is not a great record but it would have been a good coaching job and a good coach would have kept his job. Good Coach makes this bad roster look ok. That’s what you tell the Coach when you tear down the roster. Gase made it look worse.
Gotta be both, right? Better players require less development and better development makes up for sub-optimal draft picks. Unfortunately the Jets have been atrocious at both selection and development for as long as I can remember.
When the steelers draft a player his role is yet to be determined beyond competing within his position group until he begins to receive coaching to develop.In other words guys can carve out their own roles within their development organically within the roster’s framework. When the Jets draft a player he is automatically annointed as “starter” “back up” or special teamer. W no room for niches or guys carving things out for themselves. Then after not receiving proper coaching, and ultimately not matching the previous label bestowed they get buried on the depth chart & ultimately released.
I was hard on JD for two reasons. Trading Jamal and letting Robby walk. But that's not enough for me to quit on him before first giving him a fighting chance. He received two first round picks for Jamal so not only will he A.) Have 4 first round picks over the next two years. B.) Has more draft picks than any NFL team over the next 3 years and C.) Has the #1 and A+ cap space moving forward. I can't quit before seeing his plan in full action because if he's able to land Trevor Lawrence with an already Franchise LT in Belton already in place? With his remaining draft picks + available cap space he can seriously begin to build a FOOTBALL TEAM. Macc ignored our O-Line for many of years and it wasn't only Maccagnan who ignored our O-Line because after Brick and Mangold of 2006? Becton became the first Offensive Lineman drafted during the 1st round dating back to 2006; and he made the Becton selection with his first ever Jets pick. He went offense back to back with Becton 1st round and Mims 2nd round (for the first time in forever) which goes to show me that he's OFFENSIVE MINDED and if he does land Trevor Lawrence? Building a great offensive line and Playmaking WRs will become his top two priorities moving forward in order to truly build around a generational QB prospect.
Worth mentioning that Douglas has a pretty clear plan that we can all see, which is a nice change of pace. The moves he’s making seem to be well thought out and it’s clear that he wants to tear down everything that his predecessor put in place. I love it. He wants this team to be the team that Joe Douglas built. He’s going to sink or swim by doing things his way and he’s not afraid of what it will looks like here and now. Ballsy in the New York market. He needs to do 2 things at this point: fire Adam Gase and change the organizational structure so that he can pick his own coach. I’m already a believer, but when those 2 things happen it’ll be all systems go.
By trading Adams and letting Robby walk, it became clear the Jets had already decided during the offseason they were all in for the tank and had already decided to cut their losses with Darnold after this season. The one thing with Darnold which frustrates is he continues to make the same poor decisions he made in college and as a rookie. Regardless of what kind of team you have around you, those redundant mistakes should have been greatly reduced by now. Hopefully, he will get a chance with another team to eliminate those errors from his repertoire. If not, he will not be the first to go down in NFL history as a high draft pick bust.
I’ve been pondering this one for a while to determine my take on it. First and foremost, in an ultra deep WR class, the Jets had no idea how it would go. Douglas would not want to lock himself into a multi year WR contract knowing there was a reasonable chance he could have ended up with to excellent WR prospects in the first three rounds if it had worked out. What if Justin Jefferson fell to the Jets 2nd round pick? What if they could have gotten Chase Claypool and KJ Hamler? What if they could have gotten Mims and Devin Duvernay? What if they could have gotten Pittman and Reagor? In a crazy draft process, it’s impossible to say what was about to go down. What if the OT’s flew off the board in the top 10 and the Jets top option was CeeDee Lamb? They would have needed to do something to address OT and saving the money Anderson would have gotten was the wiser move. The other aspect of this is that let’s be real, Robby had never had a season like is having this year. I think there is way more than just not using him right, I think he has improved his game in a way that is not possible to predict. I would imagine some of that even has to do with the finances he had available to help train in the offseason. Am I saying that signing Robby would have been dumb? No. But we have 20/20 hindsight and I can see a clear logic to letting him walk, and if Mims was healthy day 1 I genuinely believe everyone is sitting here talking about how smart Douglas was for not shelling out $20 million for a guy right before entering the best WR draft of the past few decades.
The whole concept of planned tanking is actually very funny to me. The likelihood of actually achieving the 1st overall pick is pretty small, because players want to win, and coaches want to win. It is not what happened. Adams wanted out, went public, and the Jets got helluva return. Fan memory is remarkably short, and the series of events leading up to now seems to be altered to fit the preferred storyline regularly.
I'm not forgetting anything, and I haven't said anything even remotely resembling what you said in your first sentence. I'm sorry, I don't mean any offense, but you obviously have reading comprehension issues, as you are misunderstanding and misconstruing everything I've said to you. I'm going to try this last time to help you understand. CJ gave his support to Gase after what the 2nd or 3rd game? I'd be willing to be that the thinks differently now. Even if he doesn't think otherwise and still believes in Gase, I don't believe that Douglas believes in Gase. Gase is still the HC because the Johnsons, as stupid as they are, are still decent human beings on some level and don't want to embarrass a HC or GM by firing him in the middle of a season. They're waiting until the end of the season, but we've already seen that Douglas or someone in the Jets' FO has reached out to the agents of some other coaches. That wouldn't have happened if the Johnsons hadn't given approval. Gase wasn't told "We're going to get rid of some key players to make you look really bad." I never said that. You're just making shit up. What I said was that if Gase came to Douglas complaining about trading players, Douglas may have told him something like, "You didn't properly use Bell when he was here. You alienated him so that he wanted out. You drove Adams to demanding a trade. You haven't developed the young players you have. Sam has gotten worse under your tutelage. You refuse to adapt your scheme to fit the talents of the players we have. I (Douglas) am thinking about the future now, because this season is a lost cause. If you have fewer and worse players to work with, too bad. You should have used the players you had properly while they were here. You have created this situation by your refusal to adapt and change and by your incompetence. Deal with it." If Gase then went to CJ, CJ probably told him that they weren't going to embarrass him by firing him in the middle of the season but that things haven't worked out, and that he won't be back next year as HC. Gase is now coaching to save his career, not his job with the Jets. If he has any hopes of ever getting hired again, then he better start making some adjustments and changes. . With regards to your question, I haven't answered it because it's a moot point. That's not what is happening.
Those two things are totally out of his control. He can try to convince the Johnsons to trust him and let him call the shots, and explain that they gave him more money and a long contract for a reason, but still they have to actually to make the decision to do so. He can talk until he is blue in the face, and they could still refuse to give him the reins of the organization.
