1. Monster LT. 2. I think its too early to toss Darnold 3. At least this will get Gase fired 4. I like your GM, I think he knows the team needs the rebuild and wants a reason to shitcan Gase 5. Int D-Line is beastly from what I saw yesterday
No, in fact I am stating the complete opposite. Darnold has not forgotten how to play high level football. Darnold is doing EXACTLY what he has done his entire career. He has games of pure shit followed by games of pure greatness. That's my problem. Again, you can continue to throw blame at Gase and his system and playcalling. I do not disagree there. But when does it become about him? When do you stop blaming everyone else around him and start looking at him? You think all of these successful QB's in this league are surrounded by high caliber talent at WR, offensive line, and have genius head coaches calling amazing games? No, they adapt to their surroundings and prove their worth by making something out of nothing. If we have to rely on upper tier talent at all positions around him, we have a problem. That's just my opinon
It is worrying, the issue of running out of play behind the LOS instead of just chucking the ball away was just amateurish, not taking the opportunity to run the first down but instead trying to force the ball into double coverage is just a plain bad decision and he should be making the correct decision in these situations in year 3. I fear we have ruined another young man once again.
in terms of positives: we can only go up from here we have to establish a running game We got our butts kicked but Bills are for real, right now
Kurt, I disagree ENTIRELY with your assessment. Again, you can not rebuild an entire roster in one off-season. You say that you have zero respect for a GM that thinks it is ok to put this garbage on the field. I agree, which is why I have all the respect for Douglas. He did not put this garbage on the field. YEARS of piss poor draft picks and horrible trades/signings put this garbage on the field. Douglas was given a pile of shit and was told to turn it into gold. That is not going to happen in one year and that was NEVER going to happen with the worst offensive line in football. Yesterday's game falls completely at the feet of Sam Darnold. Yes, we have a lack of talent at WR, but yesterday was a game we could have won with better QB play. The offensive line gave him plenty of time and our defense was bending and not breaking for a number of possessions. Even with the shit play, we were still in the game halfway through the 3rd quarter. Blaming Douglas for any of this is a joke IMO.
I do not fear we have ruined anyone. I fear he was never the talent we all thought he would be. Again, I am tired of claiming that we ruined a potential QB or coaching has. The player either has talent to be a franchise QB, or he does not. If we have been "ruining QB's" then they should be performing elsewhere when they leave. Unless you believe we have permanently ruined a QB, which is a little absurd to say. Mark Sanchez Geno Smith Ryan Fitpatrick Josh McCown Sam Darnold Mark Sanchez and Geno Smith both sucked outside of New York. Ryan Fitzpatrick is a journey man who has gone up and down his entire career. Josh McCown is another journeyman who is retired. We have consistently drafted terribly and have missed completely on a number of highly talented and successful QB's.
Without wishing to get into a row with you about this, don't you think it a little absurd to include Fitz and McCowan to try and emphasize your point? Fitz is a one-season every other season wonder and McCown was always just good enough to be a solid back up with good days and horrific days and they were both Vets when they rocked up at the Jets. Petty would be the best example, he looked like he had an arm but by the time he left us he couldn't even hit somebody from 5 yards away, I'd say we ruined him and we certainly didn't help Hackenburg improve any but he may well have been just shit regardless. But as for them performing better once they leave, well if they have been badly coached during the most important years of their career then how will they improve when they have left, the damage has been done already, no? But let's just be honest, it was a throwaway comment and you had no real need to overreact to it and taken it at face-value when it was plain as day I was in agreement with you about it being a worrying situation.
I am on the same page as far as Sam goes. I saw a confused and completely unprepared QB yesterday. It's like he had the rookie jitters. He settled down and played "SLIGHTLY" better later in the game, but by then he was running for his life on every play. But I saw enough to worry me. And I'm sure this has been mentioned 1,000 times on this site since yesterday - the delay of game and running out of bounds to take a sack were two completely unforgivable mistakes for ANY QB to make, much less one who's supposed to be a franchise QB in his 3rd year. But beyond just Sam, the utter lack of preparation in all three aspects (except the punter, but when your punter stands out, it's a sign of trouble) was beyond disturbing. No excuses about lack of training camp, preseason games, or anyting else. Every other team had the exact same circumstances and none came out as out of sync as the Jets did.
I understand your fears and share them, but your fear is causing you to lose prespective IMO. Sam has issed significant portions of playing time which has slowed his development. He's also had to contend with playing for two bad HCs that didn't know how to develop a QB. Finally, he is surrounded by poor talent...last year's OL was a joke, and this year's version, while better on paper hasn't had time to jell. Add all this up and you have a recipe for a QB who is probably suffering some form of PTSD, and is anxious himself to prove himself and to try to overcome all the shortcomings in himself and around him, and that is going to make him make some mistakes that are "dumb". I am convinced that if you give him a decent HC/OC and some more weapons, and an improved OL you'll see the FQB you want to see. All that said, maybe not. Maybe he is ruined and will never become better than mediocre, which for me is not enough. But I would wait to see how things play out this season before I got rid of him. And I would only do that if I had a chance of drafting an elite QB (but frankly, there are very few of them...Mahomes and Watson were the last two I can think of).
First off, I mentioned every one of our starting QB's in the past 10 years. It was to show how piss poor our QB's have been. Secondly, I am not overreacting by any stretch. I am just tired of throwing blame at the organization for "ruining a QB" rather than throwing blame at the organization for drafting shit talent. Hackenburg was a joke. He was NEVER going to be a starting QB in this league. I think everyone pretty much agrees with that. Bryce Petty had some talent but to think he would have been a franchise QB is again a reach. Finally, I disagree with the idea that an organization can ruin a talented and potential franchise QB. I completely disagree based on my experience as a college athlete and based on my experience around other highly talented college athletes who are now pro players. You either have the talent or you don't.
I'm going tohave to disagree with you. McCown and Fitz shouldn't be on this list as the "ruining a QB" narrative is about rookies who need to be developed. And the three that WERE drafted, and let's throw Bryce Petty and Christian Hackenberg in there as well, make that FIVE drafted with the idea that they would eventually be a starter, have all faltered or flopped completely. One of them never took a snap. Jury still out on Sam of course, but the other four were destroyed with no chance to go elsewhere and develop properly. And to expect them to go elsewhere after ruining them is absured, forgive my frankness. When you spill something on a shirt and say "oh crap, I ruined it", you dont wash it and it's good to go. It's done. The Jets have now established a very clear history of not being able to take a young, talented QB and develop him in any way. No team is going to take on someone else's damaged goods as anything other than a project or a backup, and certainly won't put the time in to develop them into starters. The evidence actually fully supports that they ruin QBs as opposed to your assertion that they don't.
the missed passes, that pick, not getting the play off after a TV timeout, and not throwing the ball away on that sack where he ran out of bounds all looked like HS level play
Got it, it's a chicken or the egg thing. Do they ruin QBs or does the fact that the organization is made up of buffoons who can't spot talent cause the issues. I guess you're right from that standpoint, but I think Sanchez, Darnold and MAYBE Geno Smith actually had starting-caliber talent and went wrong because the owners of this franchise have no idea who to hire. Smith was also a head case, but he had skills. Not finished with Darnold yet, but we are reaching a critical juncture.
There is a whole lot of teeth gnashing going on on this board. 1) If you didn't know the Jets were going to suck in 2020, you're an idiot. Why are you mad? 2) This was, for all intents and purposes, a preseason game. Why are you mad? 3) It's 2020. The season is going to be cancelled before long. Or the sun is going to blow up. Something. Nobody is making the playoffs--there won't be any. Why are you mad?
We sucked, we were absolutely dreadful, we looked completely uncoordinated. But make no mistake. The paramount reason this game was so disappointing lays primarily right at the feet of Sam. He was drop dead horrible and in my view took a huge step backwards, not forward like we expected, from his foot work to his situation awareness and ill conceived rookie mistakes like the interception. So far he is not the answer to our prayers we so desperately wanted and Falco’s thread was 100% on the money. Gase at this point is a Massive question mark (Thank you Chris), but Sam is not making this offense better and it has fuck all to do about the lack of a premier WR. If Anderson or Cee Cee or any one else was there yesterday it would not have made much difference at all. It has been pointed out how some of the rookie QB are making things happen with equal talent across the league. Sam needs to turn this around ASAP. Lastly, I whole heartedly disagree about not keeping JD. He has been the only ray of sunshine and made tremendous strides after 15 years of putrid team building. He has done plenty in year one and is the last thing we want to fuck with, particularly with the clueless ownership making decisions once again.
Bruh, we play San Francisco next week. We had a chance against the Bills. Even when things went right for us they went wrong. Sam throws the ball, receiver drops it, receiver is open Sam makes a crazy throw. Bell becomes the best receiver, Bell’s out, we have em on the ropes Herndon fumbles. We hung in there kinda. Next week we’re going to get destroyed. There’s going to be a lot of pain this season.
No one is stating that they expected this season to be highly successful. I am not mad that our roster sucks and that we lost our first game to the Bills. I am mad because our potential "franchise QB" looked like dog shit and sucked complete ass in his season 3 debut.
Glad you saw my next post. This year is it for Darnold. Either he makes that step or he's out. So far it does not look good, but again, it has only been one game.
