I said you queynte that I don't post here much anymore, the reason being 24-carat phonies such as yourself who prattle on and on and on like the Johnny one note one-trick-ponies that they are; self-aggrandizing windbags. At the same time I will stop in on occasion to to discuss football with (as I've previously mentioned) the "99% of TGG who are comprised of 'cool' folks" and in addition (for cheap sport and amusement) to mock, lampoon and insult Kruger-Dunning scholars of whom you're the poster child whenever it suits me. .
No. His mom would have no problem with him not getting drafted by the Jets. Her boy is still a multi-millionaire. This is just some guy who thinks he's smarter than anyone else because he's worked out receivers are more important than left tackles when it comes to protecting your quarterback. He's like a conspiracy theorist. They always believe they are cleverer than everybody else. Well done Brook. Please don't ever let him back.
Elite QB's and Olinemen are perhaps the most valuable asset in our current league. This is why you almost never see them traded or allowed to hit the free agency market--barring a few unusual circumstances. And look at the haul a guy like Tunsil brought back. You take them early and often. It's no coincidence our best years in recent history is when we had guys like Mangold, DBrick, Faneca, Woody, Moore leading the charge. Look how fast teams are to trade/release weapons (Hopkins, Fournette, Beckham, Diggs, Kamara possibly) list goes on. It's becasue these players end up being pricey and their impact is limited. Oline give the QB enough time to make throws to those weapons and opens up avenues for other weapons to run through.
I don't think it's because their impact is limited. I think price is one thing that's important, but also longevity and production over the course of a contract. Offensive lineman have longer careers and are better than skill position players into their later years. They're also less likely to get freak accident injuries (i.e. helmet to the knee - torn ACL kind of stuff). They do get hurt. And they do have their legs bent in half. But I also think they're more likely to recover because their game isn't 100% built on foot speed. You're not really going to get many more years out of a runningback past their rookie deal. Receivers vary but you can get through a second contract for sure - it just feels like there are more and more good receivers coming out each year that can replace them so teams look to move on quicker (not sure that this is true but it's food for thought).
But what about how important elite WRs are to the OLine so they don't have block so long. We could bring Wayne F Hunter back if we had Jeudy...
You're not wrong about the importance of the QB and OL, but in a passing league, it's also important to have playmakers who opposing defenses have to game plan around. Do we have any weapons who do that? Bell might be on the decline and Crowder is good, but nothing special. Perriman has a 5 game stretch in a 5 year career where he's been a force. Herndon had a great rookie season, but a lost 2nd year. Without acquiring above average skill position talent, we're basically asking Sam to bolt once his rookie contract expires.
So, you have nothing to post but personal attacks, juvenile at that. If you say you're "out," do us all a favor and stay out. At least be honest with yourself.
...and I'm not a fan of you posting on this website. You, who created your account 3 days after the NFL draft with the name of a WR who isn't a Jet and may never be. Get a life.
I often agree with your posts. They are usually reasonable, but this one is from left field, not accurate, and has flawed reasoning. I totally disagree with the notion that OL are more important than skill position players/playmakers. Teams are not fast to trade/release weapons. You're making up stuff. Hopkins is older, and we know idiots are running the show in Houston, because that's where Mac came from. Most teams wouldn't have traded him, much less given him away the way those idiots in Houston did. Fournette has been a big disappointment during his NFL career. He's had injury issues, is lazy and apparently doesn't have a very good work ethic, and was due a lot of money this season. Teams are strapped for cap space and cash. Jacksonville is clearing space for next season. Beckham is a head case and cancer. I forget exactly why Minny traded Diggs, but know he was unhappy with Cousins at QB. Teams don't want to keep disgruntled players. Evidently, NO had no intention of trading Kamara. That was just a negotiating ploy. To say that their impact is limited is laughable and totally wrong. The only reasons that OL have become as important as they are is that the NFL has become a passing league, and so many collegiate teams are running spread offenses, so many, if not most, OL coming into the NFL have never played in a standard NFL-type offense, and are lacking in basic skills/knowledge/technique, especially in pass protection. They're still nowhere near as valuable or important as skill position players. NE has proven that a team can not only win, but win repeated SBs with an OL composed of average or below average talent, who are coached by the best OL coach in the game to work as a unit. Most NE OL who have left, haven't been nearly as good elsewhere. They've also won with less than stellar talent with the exceptions of Gronk and Randy Moss. Great skill position players can take over games and help their teams win almost single-handedly. The same isn't true for OL.
Wait ..isn't comparing Becton to Jeudy like Apples to Oranges?? 2 weeks before Gametime and the Troll Posts start churning
The issue isnt that OL or QB arent extremely important..its that so often fans of this team and the team itself have taken this knowledge & concluded that WRs & skill talent should be DEvalued. You have to be able to win matchups on the boundary every single week.Its no longer a trench battle & skill guys get sprinkled in based on a specific game plan.Theres a trench battle & theres the boundary battle.Now maybe the war up front is slightly more impactful but you have to win both. Also lets not forget..their is NOTHING more meaningful or valuable in football than instant scoring. Those exceptionally rare skill players who can affect the scoreboard weekly regardless of help around them & are a inch of daylight away from turning a game upside down. Now you gotta have a QB to get them the ball but beyond that..super elite skill trumps all.
Personal attacks? Try spot-on observations you self-aggrandizing windbag. "Us?" Now you're speaking for "us" i.e. everyone else? There it is: the stuff of self-aggrandizing legend. a. Chock full o' Nuts b. Bag o' Wind c. All of the above
I like your assessment using years of productivity as a barometer--I think that's fair. Denver did this precise thing with their running backs for a while. I agree Olineman tend to be more effective for longer periods of time. When I say "impact being more limited", a great offensive line allows one the luxury of having less than stellar weapons, but still remaining competitive. While the opposite is less true. Look at this past years Browns, great weapons, Landry, Beckham, Chubb....but the line was poor and so was Baker. Sure exterior players can change games, I just prefer the more holistic boost you get from a fortified line.
I always love a dialogue with you NC. Before reading your take, I responded with a further explanation above. Over the years I have followed the NFL, 21 years, I have seen a greater degree of trade/release activity with the skill position players than with talent in the trenches. When those trades/releases happen with Oline talent, it often happens when they are older than their skill position counterparts as well. I should have probably said "faster" or "more open" to trading to better explain the point I was trying to make. Also, in my second post, further explained what I meant by "limited". I used the Browns as an example. A great Oline further enhances weapons more than weapons can correct Oline deficiencies--we can agree to disagree here if that's the case. To your second point, I think you make a good case. I would argue that NE is a unique animal in their own right--they have such strict systems with years of continuity that it makes them hard to evaluate. Donte S. was a HOF level coach, literally transforming a guy like Trent Brown into an elite LT--Brown probably owes him 10% of his salary . Brown was good for Oakland last year, just injured at times. So yes, coaching matters of course. But they have had solid talent along the Oline from year to year. Not to mention, the best QB and TE for all those years. Gronk was a HOF level blocker and weapon rolled into one. With all this said, you and I are probably both hoping for Jamar Chase next year--now is the time to add weapons. Now, if Sam crashes and burns this year, one could make the case for Lawrence--let's hope Sam is who we think he is. Cheers
Any sensible person would have made it a Haiku I wanted Jeudy. Hope big guy can protect Sam Wanted Jer oh well
