NY Jets: Trumaine Johnson release becomes official today

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  1. mrjet80

    mrjet80 Well-Known Member

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    i didn't like this signing from the moment it was announced....
     
  2. K'OB

    K'OB 2021 TGG Fantasy Football Champ

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    34m will do that to some people.
     
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  3. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    Maccagnan screwed over the Jets with multiple deals like this. Johnson is still hurting the team next year, Mosley is still hurting the team next year, Bell still has $4m in dead money next year if he's cut.

    I hate to sound like a broken record but big free agent deals help the player involved not the team and that's true in probably 90% of the cases. That's why the big free agent spenders are generally the bad teams in the league. Star free agency (or more accurately good players-paid like stars free agency) suppresses most of the teams that participate, keeping them in the pool for the next wave of big money signings.

    It's a vicious cycle that keeps dragging teams like the Jets, Redskins and Fins down.
     
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  4. K'OB

    K'OB 2021 TGG Fantasy Football Champ

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    Well hopefully moving forward that is now going to change with JD in charge.
     
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  5. MaximusD163

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    Overpaying is detrimental, but is not the end of the world. Overpaying and a guy flaming out on top of that just crushes your team. While Mosley is overpaid, I don’t think he will flame out, I think he will still be a very good player. That is why his contract is not one of the key issues I have with the current roster. Bell... I’m not sure one way or the other yet. I do tend to think he will be a good player. However, the amount he is overpaid is more significant as well.
     
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    Giving big money to a 28 year old tier 2 CB as if his best days were ahead of him was foolish. Bell and Mosley, while elite with their first teams, aren't players a team builds around. They're the type of players an established contender signs as the final piece. What the Jets should've done last offseason was sign as many tier 2 OL as possible.
     
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    8 mil down the Toilet / 8 mil saved and will be put to much better use

    Maybe Trumaine will find another job working for Mike M wherever he is
     
  8. TonyFtLaud

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    Problem with that is the second tier O lineman were all paid more than tier 1 o lineman and they all played like third tier players.
     
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    The Bills signed a few OL last offseason. That's what we should've done IMO. Maybe Morse is tier 1, IDK. Ideally, we would've had a few building blocks on the OL, but that wasn't the case. Orlando Brown was a better option in round 3 two years ago than Nathan Shepherd.
     
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  10. TonyFtLaud

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    Morse was one of the underwhelming FA signings. The problem is not drafting replacements when guys like Mangold and Brick were aging out. Then compounding the error with stop gaps and still not drafting long term solutions.
     
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    I agree with this...if you're going to spend big in FA do it on a guy getting his 2nd contract with hopes (and drive) of a 3rd. Don't waste big money on a last contract where the likelihood of the dude coasting is higher. Fuckin Macc is the gift that just keeps giving.
     
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    I'll admit that I was really happen when the Jets signed Trumaine Johnson. What an absolute disaster.

    I guess the bright side is that its not like it cost the Jets Super Bowls or deep playoff runs in hindsight. Even if he'd played up to 100% of his potential its not like the Jets would have done anything more than maybe a one and done and probably not even that.
     
  13. GasedAndConfused

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    jeez that was bad too.
     
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  14. GasedAndConfused

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    mosley and bell aren't hurting the team
     
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    Overpaying is seriously detrimental in multiple aspects for the offending team.

    1. It reduces the talent level of the roster overall as the team gets -X% value out of the deal where X = the amount they overpaid for the player.

    2. It increases expectations of the other players on the roster for a big payday, beyond their actual value, when they come due.

    3. It increases the chances that an injury will heavily impact the team. This is because not only does a big contract not protect a player against injury it also reduces the talent level behind him.

    4. It removes the day to day incentive for the player to give 100% - particularly if the guarantees are large.

    We all believe that players have a tendency to play a bit better in a contract year. The corresponding rule is that players who have just gotten a windfall are less likely to play as well in the following year. Their incentive to really display their talents has been reduced by the fact that they have just gotten a big enough windfall to retire on.

    A large number of free agents are seen as busts a year or two out. This is partly due to the fact that they have been overpaid so they would have trouble living up to the deal under any circumstances, however it is also due to injury and incentive.

    Most importantly, a team that overpays rarely does that in a vacuum. The tendency for these teams is to go back to the well over and over again, with each transaction weakening the roster structure in some way. Even teams that lift performance for a year or two pay the price down the road. As an example, the Jets signed lots of vets to overpriced contracts from 2007 to 2010. When the consequences of those decisions came due the team collapsed. The one year the Jets were competitive in the last decade was a result of several overpriced contracts and the team collapsed again immediately thereafter.

    This is not rocket science. Overpay individuals and the team suffers. In capped sports where an individual can have a truly outsized impact, like basketball, the effect is less of a drag on the team. In the NFL the effect is a heavy drag that never lets up.

    As long as the Jets believe that they need to have big name star money contracts on the cap they will continue to be a inconsistent team that rises for short periods and submerges for the duration thereafter.
     
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  16. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    What did Mosley and Bell do to help the Jets for the $22M they counted against the cap last season?

    What are they likely to do for the $32M (approximately 16% of the overall cap) they will earn this year?

    Why did Robbie Anderson not take the Jets offers last year seriously?

    Why is Jamal Adams looking to become the highest paid safety in the NFL after his 3rd season and apparently upset the Jets will not just open the checkbook and write him a huge check?

    Why do none of the major free agents ever come to the Jets unless they are heavily overpaid?

    The answers to these questions are all related.

    The implications for the coming contract talks with Sam Darnold are also there.
     
  17. Footballgod214

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    I think some GMs panic...when a team is perceived as being pretty good the GM will sell part of the future for here and now.

    Take Tanny/Rex. Tanny overspent on FA and sold future draft picks for players to get us over the top. I think we had like 3 picks one draft under Tanny/Rex. Growing the team smartly like JD is doing goes out the window if a GM thinks his time is NOW. Unfortuantely.
     
  18. RochesterJet

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    In the past the Jets have had to overpay for FA for several reasons.

    -The culture has been shitty for 90% of the past 30 Years. Take out the Parcells and early REX years. Lots of coaching and front office turnover and no real identity as an organization (besides being a laughing stock).

    -Horrific Drafting & Player Development. The Jets haven't had positional depth, outside of the DL, forever.

    -What is the Jets Identity?

    these are just a few reasons why the Jets have consistently been a place tier 2 and 3 players have come to die. They collect a big payday and never live up to it. They usually don't have the talent or the desire


    Name the last FA we ever signed who lived up to expectations? Maybe LT?
     
  19. Br4d

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    Kevin Mawae and Curtis Martin. I don't think the Jets have signed a major free agent that lived up to the contract since those guys. Both were signed in the Parcells Era and both were team-first players because if you weren't a team-first player you could not play for Bill Parcells.

    Calvin Pace played well for longer than any other major free agent since the Parcells Era but he was grossly overpaid for his contributions.
     
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  20. BroadwayAaron

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    Small potatoes but Faneca and Moore were FA signings that lived up to their contracts. Technically Braylon Edwards too but we acquired his contract we didn’t give it to him. Thomas Jones comes to mind as well.
     
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