As I read with enthusiasm all the great input on the draft from TGG members I’m reminded of the fact that I have no clue what JD plan is nor adequate draft knowledge to forecast the selection. Many here think 4-5 OL are in the running along with 2-3 WR at 11. May be so. But my gut tells me JD might be more selective for the 11 pick. He may have identified 4 can’t miss offensive players he would run to the podium for and ignore any trade, and has ranked no more than 2-3 OL and Jeudy in that category. If all four are gone at 11 then his options might open up a bit and becomes more value based between a trade down, the 4th best OL, CeeCee or a pass rusher/corner. I have a strange feeling that both JD and SG feel less strong about Lamb versus say a top rusher or corner. Can’t wait for the draft.
Say what?? Please do explain how Jeudy would be wasted in Jets offense LMAO. Can’t wait to hear this.
Because he isn't an ideal fit. He's not great on contested catches or on YAC, which is what Gase's offense is based on with WRs. IMO Jeudy is better for a deep passing attack, and that isn't Gase's offense. Yes he runs some deeper and intermediate routes, but his offense is designed to throw shorter passes and get YAC. Jeudy is fast, but not as adept at making players miss as Lamb.
I disagree with you regarding Jeudy and Lamb. Lamb is a much better fit for Gase's offense and for Sam's talents. 16.7% of Sam's passes this pass season were contested catches/thrown into tight windows. Lamb excels at that. Jeudy does not.
Jeudy is one of the best route runners I've seen in a long time though. He gets such good angles on defenders that I think it equals Lamb's elusiveness in traffic. Plus, Jeudy is pretty damn good at making people miss as well.
I like Jeudy I just don't think he's as good a fit with Sam Darnold and Adam Gase as Lamb is. Jeudy is more of a prototypical outside receiver, with excellent route running skills. His ball skills are ok but nothing special and for whatever reason he got the dropsies more often than you would like last season. His strength, the thing that makes him special, is his play at the top of the route tree. Lamb fits more in the playmaking possession receiver mold. He can play outside or inside with maybe not as much polish outside as Jeudy. However his hands and his ball skills are really very good. He's an outstanding playmaker who is still really good when the play has broken down and the QB is improvising on the move. Sam Darnold does that a lot.
That’s fine to think Ceedee is a better fit, Ceedee is a great prospect in his own right. That’s very different than saying Jeudy would be a waste in the Jets offense. If Jeudy is a waste in any offense then the offense is a major problem, that may be the case for the Jets but that still remains to be seen. I agree that we want a receiver that can improvise when the play breaks down but I have no idea why anyone would think that Jeudy can’t. He played with Tua who is also great at improvising when the play breaks down. If we came out of the 1st rd With Ceedee I’d be super excited, he’s a great prospect, I just think Jeudy is an all time great prospect.
Well said. You and Br4D have made some excellent points about Lamb over Jeudy as a better fit for Darnold and sure hope he is there at 11 for us as a strong option. I suspect there will be more than the Jets looking at Lamb as a better fit for their QBs. If Adam Gase is as offensively smart as advertised, he will further adjust his game plan and surround the QB with players that fit Darnold’s strengths, be it WR, RB or OL. Free agency will be a great first indicator as to what type of football player fits the Jets new regime long term plan.
I think you're underrating Jeudy's skills to do the same thing that Lamb can do a lot. Because Jeudy is just as good if not a better athlete than Lamb. He was just used primarily as a deep threat rather than a YAC player because Alabama had Ruggs and Devonta Smith to do so. And even Waddle who might end up being the best YAC guy of the 4 of em after he showcases his skills next year. Lamb played in an offense with a quarterback less capable of throwing the ball down field. He's a hell of a playmaker with the ball in his hands and has extremely quick feet. I think he's less of a contested catch maker than everyone is making him out to be because he did some nice things in shorts at the combine. He didn't really have the dropsies but he can be a body catcher when he's heavily on the move and isn't throttling down. Either way, some might think these are exaggerations but Jeudy reminds me of Julio Jones and Lamb reminds me of Antonio Brown. We need either on this team if they're there.
If we fix the o line Sam wouldn’t have plays breaking down on him as often, which would than make jeudy the perfect match for Gase. Gase wants to run that Peyton Manning offense. That takes qbs and receiver being on the same page and at the exact right spot. That’s more jeudy and his route running .
I see a lot of Brown in Lamb also except that Lamb is 3 inches taller which is a hell of a receiver if he's actually anywhere near that good. His playstyle puts him in the spectrum with Brown and Anquan Boldin although he is faster and shiftier than Boldin and he's bigger and stronger than Brown. Jeudy would be just fine though. Either of those guys would help us out in a big way. Jeudy as a WR and Lamb as a weapon. When you're looking at Jeudy remember that he had Ruggs III lining up opposite him. The Alabama receivers really stretched out the opposing defense with a combination of speed and playmaking capability down the field. That initial shock effect of having to cover 2 really good deep threats is likely to be missing on the Jets next season unless we find a way to also lock up Robby Anderson to a decent deal which seems unlikely at this point. If you're thinking "well then the Jets should just overpay to keep Anderson and draft Jeudy", well imagine what Jeudy will be asking for if he's been playing opposite and out-producing a huge Anderson deal when it is time to lock him up in three years.
Lamb has the same body type as AB though even if taller. He's skinny and has a narrow frame. He's going to be a great YAC receiver regardless. Hopefully his 40 time hurt him and he falls (even though it's irrelevant because he's fast as hell on the field).
I think it is unlikely he falls much past the 11 if he is even there. The Cardinals are a trendy pick to take him at 8 to help out Kyler Murray who threw to him as primary at Oklahoma. Trendy projections at this time are often smoke screens however this one has a ring of truth to it. He's definitely faster than his 40 time when the ball is snapped. He's one of those guys for whom straight line speed is just part of the equation.
One thing about Lamb? He put up his numbers within an extremely weak conference for defense(s). Mostly every team he faced had cupcake CB's and awful defenses within his conference and alot of his receptions were wide open with no defenders in sight due to horrid coverage. However I will say this. When he did have an opportunity to play in bowl games over the past two seasons against LSU/Alabama he did destroy them but on a more consistent basis Jeudy was going up against SEC defenses. The production numbers between Lamb and Jeudy are very similar however Jeudy put up his production against much tougher competition on a weekly basis. Both are elite talents but I'm going with the elite route runner in Jeudy over Lamb if it were up to me.
Very interesting video that I have just seen on Youtube. It shows how intelligent Jeudy is and how he varies his route depending on how a play develops
Upon further reflection, it was hyperbole to say that Jeudy would be a waste in the Jets' offense, but that was more a comment on Gase than Jeudy. I would be very happy with Jeudy or Lamb.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2020/...y-jeudy-overcame-tragedy-become-nfl-draft-gem Nice article of Jeudy's background, I really want us to draft him. He seems like a good kid.
I think I'm on team Ruggs now. But I think the Raiders or some other team will trade up for him. The Jets need a game breaker and I think 2 of the 4 offensive lineman will be busts. The Jets should grad another WR in round 3.
