Why is there a euphoria over running QBs all of a sudden?

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  1. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Don't forget that the NFL and it's coaches have actually adapted to the skillset of the running quarterback. Read options, jet sweeps, and designed quarterback draws were not a part of the playbook with Michael Vick.

    The game is also moving towards protecting the running quarterback a lot more than it ever has. It's the future of the game and they'd be stupid not to.

    Scramble first downs are absolutely crushing for defenses too and can beat the crap out of man defenses with good corners ala the Patriots.
     
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  2. WarriorRB28

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    Go talk that stuff about Tebow not being able to throw to a Steelers fan.

    Make no mistake about it Tim Tebow is the godfather of this so called 'modern' NFL style attack. He was doing this back in 2011.

    Also make no mistake about it the man was blacklisted by the NFL for no reason at all. A first round pick all he did was win a division title and light up the Steelers like a Christmas tree in the playoffs, one of the biggest stories in the NFL in his first couple of seasons in the NFL.

    So I ask again why is what was taboo with Tebow not that long ago now trendy, hot the 'future' of football? And why?

    The NFL settled with Kaepernick after he sued them. I believe Tim Tebow had a better case he should've sued the NFL he would've won.
     
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  3. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    It's quite simple. Tebow completed 47.9% of his passes for his career. Please. Go look at what DeShaun Watson, Lamar Jackson, etc. complete for their careers and even their lowest totals thus far. Below 60% in the modern day NFL of checkdowns and wide receiver screens and RPO'S is bad.

    Tebow was significantly worse. And it's not even really a question.
     
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  4. Br4d

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    Tebow couldn't play QB well enough to play in the CFL, let alone the NFL. There are absolutely minimum qualifications for throwing the football and he didn't meet them.

    The thing that drove him out of the NFL was the fact that he refused to recognize that fact until it was too late to make the move to a position where he was more likely to flourish, like TE or H-back. The irony is that running African-American QB's used to be pigeon-holed into the WR category regularly and with some success at the NFL level. Try to move Tebow there and there's a huge commotion about how the man is just being shafted by people trying to marginalize him.
     
  5. WarriorRB28

    WarriorRB28 Well-Known Member

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    Football is football.

    If these guys run they're gonna get jacked up. It's the nature of the beast.

    The rules to protect QBs (in the pocket) are in place for a reason. Keep these guys in the pocket where they belong where they're protected by the rules. Most QBs aren't built to take that kind of pounding.

    Taking these guys out of the (somewhat) safe zone, designing plays that put them in harm's way is stupid.

    Sure if a QB is built like a tank like a Tebow was or Newton was or Mcnair was or Mcnabb was they'll be able to withstand the pounding for a bit but they'll have MUCH shorter careers than a guy like Brady or Brees or Rivers have had. Guys that aren't built like that forget it they ain't gonna last long.

    Keep these guys in the pocket where they belong. Run with the running back.
     
  6. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    I don't really feel like banging my head against the wall over this post, but I guess I will.

    The league takes two steps forward in adjusting to the way the athletes are molded and at times may take a step back. The running quarterback is an absolute back breaker for defenses. When you're talking about designed runs, you get one more blocker than you would with a runningback. With the read option, you leave one defender that does not need to be blocked and you leave it up to the athleticism of the quarterback and deception of the play to rule him out.

    The McNair's and McNabb's of the the world never had the innovative offenses in terms of read-option, RPO and QB draw that the NFL uses today. These guys were runners when they needed to be in a scramble drill and that's strictly it because the NFL was steadfast that college offenses are gimmicky and will never work.

    The Ravens are further proof that that is patently false. At least for now in a lightning in a bottle scenario. We're going to see if it can be sustained.

    Running quarterbacks will always get hurt. They wear less padding so they have more mobility of their arms and can contort their body to create arm angles. Running quarterbacks are becoming more aware of that. Kyler Murray is the slide king in the NFL and rarely gets hit.

    They will learn to protect themselves as runners and the NFL will adjust the game to protect them as runners because they do NOT want to see the Eagles play another playoff game without Wentz (as an example).

    The notion that 'this is how the NFL is and always will be and that's that,' is loser ideology. You need to adjust with the sport and the new athletes that come to that sport. The league MVP is a running quarterback.

    Do you also believe the NFL teams should stop running slants? Because it was a league that basically just had receivers run vertical routes for the first 20 years until Bill Walsh came along.
     
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  7. J-Raw24

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    Tebow is the godfather? Mike Vick say hello. He was playing and winning before tebow was drafted. Or do you not remember him playing in Philly? Oh and before that in Atlanta... also his completion % was way higher than tebow a reason.
     
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    Most people don't realize the nfl changes every year. It's an evolving league. Think of how many rule changes happen during the Brady Era to help pocket passers. Protecting running qbs will be harder all things considered, but I can see changes happening. That said the could also change to help defenses counter it. Right now Baltimore is going to run over most teams. I still say give it 5 years. It can go either way. Jackson either become Wilson like or out like rg3. We won't know how the league evolves until it happens
     
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  9. Red Menace

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    You don’t know football and you are just here trolling, if you knew anything about football you would know that Frank Tarkenton was the forefather of the successful scrambling QBs who was an excellent passing QB as well.

    Bringing Tebow back as a topic of conversation is making you look really bad.
     
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    Oh but the running qb was grandfathered by tebow.... I mean we can name qbs back into the beginning of football that ran. I mean the first real passing qb was Joe Willy.... I don't get this being a new thing.
     
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    Plenty of shitty QBs have won a game. That doesn't make him special that he won the game on a play action throw to a wide open receiver downfield.

    Godfather? Please. Michael Vick was doing that way before Tebow ever was and he could throw the ball too. McNabb was better. McNair was better. Kordell Stewart, Randall Cunningham, Steve Young. Tebow is a nobody compared to many great running QBs who could actually throw the ball.

    Tebow refused to play any position but QB. Tebow can't throw the ball to save his life. One good pass doesn't make up for all those shitty passes. No franchise could win a Super Bowl with him. Why would anyone pay him to play a position he can't play?
     
  12. Dierking

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    Tebow? Get the fuck outta here.
     
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    I tend to disagree on this one. The running QB’s tend to have shorter careers. A mobile QB is great, running to much is not an asset long term.
     
  14. Unhappyjetsfan

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    Because none of the recent ones have gotten hurt this season. The first time one of them gets injured while running the ball, the edict will come down from the front office that they aren't allowed to run anymore. And then their teams will quickly realize that they can't win a game with their arm alone ... and they are back to having a mediocre QB situation.

    People forget that one of the most mobile QBs in the league his first two years was Mark Sanchez. Then he took a hit on 3rd down one time and Tannenbaum panicked. Rex brought in Joe Girardi to "teach him how to slide," and he never scrambled for a first down on 3rd and long again. And just like that, Sanchez went from an average QB with a below average arm to a bad QB with a below average arm.

    The same thing always happens. The most recent example is Cam Newton.
     
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  15. Dierking

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    This post makes me unhappy
     
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    Running Quarterbacks can win during the regular season but once a running Quarterback is forced to throw come playoff intensity he then becomes a losing Quarterback. Because Defense still wins championships.
     

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