Why is there a euphoria over running QBs all of a sudden?

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  1. WarriorRB28

    WarriorRB28 Well-Known Member

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    The media, NFL are pushing this like it's never been seen before.

    Tim Tebow was doing this in 2011 they hated him for it, pushed him out of the league.

    So why now is it fine?

    Sure Jackson, Watson, Allen are great athletes. Not great QBs. I remember seeing that Jackson averaged something like 140 passing yards per game something like that pissant passing numbers.

    Don't these people understand that these guys expose themselves to serious injury by running so much? I couldn't believe Buffalo was calling running plays for Allen yesterday there was one play Buffalo called a run to the outside with Allen he took a vicious hit, next play they called a short pass that didn't reach the receiver. Concussion? And Buffalo has a sensational running back in Singletary!

    Running QBs don't last long.

    The league has become so stupid nowadays.
     
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    Cman68 The Dark Admin, 2018 BEST Darksider Poster

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    Because they're the future. People worry about Allen but they forget how big Allen is.. Kinda like a running Big Ben. If the measure is winning, and I realize in Jetland its more about appearances effort and next year, then Mahomes, Watson, Jackson and Allen are the vanguard of a new kind of NFL QB. DL's and LB's are so much faster now that you have to keep your QB moving. Having Sam set up in a classic pocket will get him injured one of these days. I would say going forward, you'll see more QB's like Mahomes/Watson/Jackson/Allen than you will pure pocket passers.
     
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    There's a difference between QBs that run or scramble and a run first or one read QBs IMO....I agree guys like Jackson or Allen probably won't last that long but Mahomes, Wilson, Watson are all elite from the pocket....Tebow was not elite from the pocket...either is Trabisky, Paxton Lynch, RG3, or Kap which is why they all flammed out....people seem to have a hard time telling the difference between the two.
     
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    Precisely. The new rules emphasizing player safety and protecting QBs make this style of QB play more feasible than it would have been in the past. Defensive players can no longer obliterate a running QB the way the used to be allowed to. Guys like Mahomes and Jackson are thriving, but we'll have to see if they can last long term. Even with the new rules, they still take nasty hits from some very big guys.
     
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    And you may notice an increase in size of future Qb's too. I think Allen is 6'-5"/239lbs. That is pretty big for a Qb. Hell, Brady is 6'4"/225. Deshaun Watson is only 6'-2"/216 so he can't take the punishment these other larger Qb's can. Mahomes is 6'-3"/230. Point being, the smaller guys have to be more elusive if they're gonna stay on the field. Guys like Allen can take bigger hits. That's not to say he should take them but the occasional scramble/qb draw isn't a bad idea. Lamar Jackson being 6'-2"/216 can't get hit very often.

    The Age of the Running Qb is here to stay. Time will tell the tale about longevity and Wins. So far, the evidence points to the running Qb. Oh yeah, Derrick Henry is 6'-3"/240 and near the end of the game, the Pats had to gang tackle and it still wasn't enough. You all saw it last night. Old school smashmouth football beat the mighty Patriots. Look for teams to follow the Titan's blueprint.
     
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    NYJetsO12 Well-Known Member

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    If that's the trend so be it..New and better Defenses should also evolve

    Teams figured how to defend against the Foward Pass? Right ?
     
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  7. WarriorRB28

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    The rules protect QBs IN the pocket not out of it once they run they become a running back. Defenders will blow up these guys any chance they get.

    Allen got blown up on that running play.

    I don't see this being the future these guys can't possibly last long playing this way. Even Cam Newton could be done at 30 because of his style of play.

    Run with the running backs, keep the QBs in the pocket. There's nothing revolutionary about this it's just dumb & reckless.
     
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    Don't forget that the rules now limit the kind of hits that can be made on any offensive player. An example would be a defensive player's use of his helmet as a weapon. A lot of hits that used to be good, hard-nosed football are now a 15-yard penalty. Defenses can't obliterate a QB outside of the pocket the way they used to.

    We'll see how it goes in the next few years to determine if Mahomes/Jackson et al. can survive the hits that are still allowed. Maybe; maybe not.
     
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    Why running QBs are the future:

    1. New rules protect running QBs.
    2. Offensive coordinators are learning how to use running QBs.
    3. Running QBs can learn to run without taking big hits.

    Why running QBs are not the future:

    1. Running QBs can avoid big hits, but all that pounding is going to wear them down prematurely.
    2. Pocket passing takes more time to develop, let's see where all these QBs are in a few years from now.

    However: We could be heading to a new equilibrium where the 20 year franchise QB is a thing of the past, and teams replace their QBs once they enter their 30s for younger, fresher ones. We'll have to see how this all plays out.
     
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    I'm not convinced about the Titans blueprint. For all of Henry's runs, they only put up 14 points of offense. They won this game because Brady was washed up, good luck playing 1980s football against the Ravens.
     
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    Henry's runs weren't designed to score points. His runs were designed to eat clock. By doing that, they kept Brady off the field. If they have any kind of success against the Ravens on the ground, they'll use that same formula to keep Jackson off the field too. All the Titans have to do is score one more point than the Ravens. Doesn't really matter how they do it as long as it gets done.
     
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    If the opposing offense scores when they're on the field, then playing for time of possession doesn't work. It only works when the opposing offense doesn't score, you take the lead, and then you kill off the clock.
     
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    Conventional thinking here.. However, Vrabel was anything but conventional in the 2nd half yesterday.
     
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    I don't understand how this is conventional thinking. What Vrabel did in the second half was only possible because the Pats offense couldn't get it done in the first half. The old Pats score multiple touchdowns in the first half and the Titans can't kill the clock.
     
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    But what Vrabel did worked and won the game for them. The Patriots couldn't stop the run and the Titans used that. They played keep away by running Henry relentlessly. Again, they didn't want to score quick, they wanted to eat clock with a 1pt lead and hope for a FG. They were smart to do this as even at this late date, Brady is still the GOAT and you don't give him opportunity if you don't have to.
     
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    Tebow couldn't throw 'at all', it really wasn't much better than having Ronnie Brown as a wildcat QB. At least these other guys can throw a little or more. If Lamar Jackson threw this season the way he did in last year's playoffs nobody'd be jerking off to him but to his credit he's become more than passable as a thrower.
     
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    Could be one way around paying a guy $30 million for ten years after his rookie contract.
     
  18. JoeWalton

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    Running QBs are certainly not new to the league and there were many who were successful it at it well before Tebow, who has only left his mark as a publicity stunt for two professional sports leagues. By the way, did the hand of god push Tebow out of the league, or was it his own hand and arm, which couldn't throw a pass to save his soul?

    Actual QBs such as Randall Cunningham, Donovan McNabb, Steve Young, Steve McNair, Michael Vick, and even before that, Fran Tarkenton, Bobby Douglass and Steve Grogan ran circles around defenses with their legs. The league is always looking for ways to improve the entertainment value of the game and having a new breed of athletic running QBs like Allen and Jackson certainly does not hurt their cause. The only issue is that a running QB needs to change his style or risk really being pushed out of the league once he reaches his late 20's.

    As witnessed during the Wild Card Weekend, it was not a flashy running QB with a big arm who knocked out the formidable Pats; it was three yards and a cloud of dust mentality, which enabled the Titans to be victorious in the ever important time of possession battle. Although many would not consider smash-mouth football as exciting as the high scoring up and down the field aerial affairs we have become accustomed to, smash-mouth football is exactly how the Pats won the Super Bowl last year over the Rams. In essence, you can say TEN gave the NEP and their HC a taste of their own medicine.

    In addition, the Wild Card Playoff victories also emphasized the importance of a big play WR, as Thielen and Metcalf played huge roles in their teams' respective victories. Even though it has become a faster and more athletic game, it does not seem that the formula for success has changed all that much over the years. Just like dynasties, trends come and go. It's all about preventing the product from going past its expiration date and becoming stale, like the Jets.
     
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  19. Greenday4537

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    Tim Tebow was pushed out of the league because he couldn't throw. Lamar Jackson can throw. Mahomes can throw. Watson can throw. Wilson can throw. Even Josh Allen throws better than Tebow ever did. THAT'S why Tebow was pushed out of the league. He wasn't good.

    Jackson average 208.5 passing yards per game (not 140 wherever that made up number came from). Add in his 80.4 rushing yards per game and at 288.9 all purpose yards per game, That's pretty solid. He also threw 36 TD passes, leading the league. Add 7 rushing TDs.

    Watson averaged 256.8 passing yards and 27.5 yards per game (284.3 total yards per game). 26 passing TDs, 5 rushing TDs.

    Allen (the worst of the three you mentioned) averaged 193.1 passing yards per game and 31.9 rushing yards per game (225 yards per game). 20 passing TDs, 9 rushing TDs.

    Tebow averaged 123.5 passing yards per game and 47.1 rushing yards per game (In his one season starting). 170.6 all purpose yards per game. 12 passing TDs, 6 rushing TDs. Tebow's numbers are absolute trash compared to any other rushing QB.

    Russell Wilson is the ideal transition from running QB to a highly mobile QB. Less rushes the past few seasons, but still extremely mobile in the pocket, able to extend plays outside the pocket, and can tuck it and run when the play is there. Plus he is an accurate thrower. That ability to move is what makes him absolutely devastating. He's not a one dimensional player. Watson is already there. Lamar Jackson has more work to do but he's still raw.
     
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  20. Burnz

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    All leagues are cyclical and go through changes each era. As QBs become more agile, elusive and quick the teams will rush to field a equal or better defense to match the swiftness. And then the pendulum swings yet again as teams begin to field a Heavy rushing attack with maulers to combat and destroy smaller defenses that have adapted for speed.
     
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