Priority #1 for Douglas : Build Darnold an OL

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  1. The Dark Knight

    The Dark Knight Well-Known Member

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    How does his contract work if he retires? He signed a 4 year, $36 million deal. So let's assume he has $27 million left for 2020-22. Does that count against the cap if he retires? I am unsure how it works.
     
  2. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    if he retires, then the jets don't have to pay him anything left on the deal. capwise we still have to take the hit of any money paid out to him we didn't get charged for, we could theoretically go after his signing bonus but in a situation like this it's considered classless and we wouldn't plus him retiring would be a huge gift to the jets capwise as it is. It would save us 6 mil for 2020 (we'd have dead cap of 5.6 mil though) and he'd be 100% off the books in 2021. Otherwise we can't do anything for his contract. his 2020 salary (6 mil) is guaranteed for injury and becomes fully guaranteed 3/22/20 and he'll likely sill not be healthy. in other words we are on the hook for his full 2020 salary so it wouldn't make sense for him to retire when he can get paid good money to rehab. In short Q is basically a black hole for 2020 cap wise. I feel bad for dude. he's a solid WR and seems like a good guy. he just can't stay healthy.
     
  3. Early 80's

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    I'm OK trading for a guy.. say C/OG- Billy Price of the Bengals. In 2nd year of rookie contract... young.. strong. Lost his starting job mostly due to injury over the summer. I like guys who can play C/G.. invaluable on the roster.
     
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  4. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    Good question.
     
  5. NYJFOREVER

    NYJFOREVER Well-Known Member

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    His accuracy sucks and he's not throwing with a lot of zip because he's not stepping into his throws, which is due to Gase being a dumb dumb and our offensive line being total dog shit.

    He was hit-hurried-sacked almost 90% of the time against the Jags, find me any QB that can do anything with that.
     
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  6. mrjet80

    mrjet80 Well-Known Member

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    I found this.....from nj.com:

    By Matt Stypulkoski | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com
    Quincy Enunwa’s season has been ended by a serious neck injury for the second time in three years.

    The Jets wide receiver was placed on injured reserve Tuesday, after the team learned Monday that his injury was severe. That’s a scary situation for Enunwa, who sustained his first neck injury in 2017 training camp and missed the entire season. This time, he played one game.


    Coach Adam Gase wasn’t sure whether this injury is related to the last one — or if it could threaten Enunwa’s career. Enunwa is still seeking more tests and medical opinions. But from the outside looking in, there’s at least some chance this could be the end of the line for him. The question is how big a chance.

    If Enunwa’s career is indeed finished, how would that impact his cash flow and the Jets’ salary cap in the future? After all, this is his first season of a four-year, $36 million contract extension.

    There are a few scenarios going forward, but one is far more likely than the others. Before we get there, here’s a refresher on Enunwa’s contract details:

    Signing bonus: $9 million (spread for salary cap purposes over five years because Enunwa signed his contract before the end of the 2018 season, so the cap hit is $1.8 million per year)


    Fully guaranteed money at signing: $10 million (signing bonus plus 2019 salary)

    Effective guaranteed money at signing: $16 million (signing bonus plus 2019 and 2020 salaries)

    2019: $1 million salary (guaranteed), $2.8 million salary cap figure

    (Enunwa’s 2019 salary became fully guaranteed on the fifth day of the league year in March.)

    2020: $6 million salary (guaranteed), $7.8 million salary cap figure, $5.4 million dead money figure

    (Enunwa’s 2020 salary becomes fully guaranteed if he is on the roster on the fifth day of the 2020 league year. It is currently guaranteed only against injury.)

    2021: $7.8 million salary, $9.6 million salary cap figure, $3.6 million dead money figure

    (If Enunwa is on the Jets’ roster on the fifth day of the 2021 league year, $4,078,588 of his salary becomes fully guaranteed. It is currently guaranteed only against injury.)

    2022: $9.6 million salary, $11.4 million salary cap figure, $1.8 million dead money figure

    Injury guarantees are safeguards that allow players to collect their future salaries (or at least part of them) in the event that they sustain a career-ending injury.


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    Now, with those details laid out, here’s a look at how this injury could impact the Jets’ future salary cap situation, based on NJ Advance Media’s conversations with NFL salary cap experts, including Jason Fitzgerald from OverTheCap.com:

    If Enunwa retires ...

    The contract is terminated in the same way as if Enunwa was cut. The Jets get off the hook for all the money that wasn’t fully guaranteed at signing. Enunwa would get $10 million (the signing bonus, plus his 2019 salary), but nothing else. For cap purposes, Enunwa’s signing bonus would all accelerate up and hit the Jets when he retired. So if he retired now, the Jets would eat an $8.2 million cap hit for 2019 (his current $2.8 million cap figure plus his $5.4 million prorated signing bonus). But Enunwa would come off the books next season.

    If the Jets cut Enunwa ...

    Frankly, retiring would be a horrible financial decision for Enunwa, even if he’s physically unable to play. Why give up all the money guaranteed against injury if you don’t have to? But even if Enunwa doesn’t retire, the Jets can still cut him, to clear future cap hits off the books. But they’d pay a steep financial penalty for it.


    If the Jets released Enunwa now, they’d have to pay him all of that future, injury-guaranteed salary immediately. As a result, all of that money would also hit the Jets’ 2019 cap. That’d be about a $10.1 million charge. Plus, they’d have to accelerate his prorated signing bonus ($1.8 million per year) from 2020-22 and apply it all to the 2019 cap. So that’s an extra $5.4 million.

    All told, Enunwa’s cap hit for 2019 – if he cannot play and the Jets cut him – would be $18.3 million. Why? Because you have to add his 2019 cap hit ($2.8 million) to the aforementioned $10.1 million (injury-guaranteed future salary) and $5.4 million (prorated signing bonus).

    If Enunwa can’t play, but doesn’t retire ...

    We already mentioned that retiring would be a bad move for Enunwa. And you just saw the massive up-front financial penalty the Jets would pay for cutting him now. So both of those options are unlikely.

    Odds are, Enunwa will hang on and make the Jets keep carrying him on the injured reserve or physically unable to perform list, in order to get his money.


    In that case, the Jets have two options: They can do nothing (and spread the cap hits out over the life of his deal) or try to find an optimal time to cut him.

    If the Jets just let things play out, they’d have to keep paying Enunwa through 2021, when his injury guarantees run out. And the cap hits would run through 2022, thanks to that prorated signing bonus.

    In that case, the salary cap hits would look like this:

    2019: $2.8 million ($1.8 million prorated signing bonus, plus $1 million guaranteed salary)

    2020: $7.8 million ($1.8 million prorated signing bonus, plus $6 million injury-guaranteed salary)

    2021: $5.878 million ($1.8 million prorated signing bonus, plus $4.078 million injury-guaranteed partial salary)

    2022: $1.8 million (prorated signing bonus)

    That’s a viable option for the Jets. But the more likely scenario is that the Jets keep him on the books for a while, then cut him when it’s most convenient.

    Here’s how that would work:

    The Jets can dodge a steep single-year payout and avoid Enunwa’s cap hit reaching double digits if they keep him through 2020, then cut him after that. In that case, the 2019 and 2020 numbers would look the same as above – but the rest of the money would all lump together in 2021, clearing Enunwa off the books one year sooner.


    The cap numbers would look like this:

    2019: $2.8 million ($1.8 million prorated signing bonus, plus $1 million guaranteed salary)

    2020: $7.8 million ($1.8 million prorated signing bonus, plus $6 million injury-guaranteed salary)

    2021: $7.678 million ($3.6 million in remaining signing bonus money, plus $4.078 million injury-guaranteed partial salary)

    If Enunwa gets healthy again ...

    Financially speaking, this is the absolute best case scenario from the Jets’ perspective.

    If this injury sours the Jets on Enunwa, but he gets healthy by next March, then the team would catch a huge break. Suddenly, the injury guarantees wouldn’t matter anymore, because Enunwa would be capable of playing in 2020. And his 2020 salary doesn’t become fully guaranteed until the fifth day of the 2020 league year (March 22).

    So, in between Enunwa passing a physical and that date, the Jets could cut him and would not be on the hook for any of his salaries moving forward. They would, however, accelerate all of his signing bonus money onto the 2020 salary cap. So, they’d eat $5.4 million in dead money, but Enunwa would come off the books for the 2021 season.



    Again, it’s too early to say for sure whether these scenarios will come into play for the Jets. We don’t yet know if Enunwa’s injury is career threatening or not.

    But, if it is, the Jets’ decision (under former GM Mike Maccagnan) to give Enunwa a whole bunch of injury-guaranteed money – and keep those guarantees in place all the way through the third year of the contract – could backfire and cost them.
     
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  7. SOJAZ

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    34 and counting I think they gave up 30 last year.
     
  8. mattyd99

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    If they were allowed to do that, Rhule would be the coach.
     
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  9. NCJetsfan

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    Great post! Thanks! Enunwa's been a great Jet and I like him, but I think it would be lousy on his part to hold up the Jets for all of that money. The Jets gave him a chance out of college drafting him, and kept him even after he had suffered a serious injury, and have paid him pretty well. Ideally, Enunwa recovers but retires. $10 milllion would set him up for life and he could still work some other job. If Enunwa doesn't recover, they can reach some negotiated settlement to split the difference (around $10 million) and clear him off the books.
     
  10. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    That man signed a contract that is guaranteed for injury. There is no reason he should consider voiding it now that he is injured.
     
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    He should have been the coach this season
     
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  12. NCJetsfan

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    Obviously, I disagree. I won't even to attempt to explain as I know that our perspectives and respective world views are so radically different that you would never see it.
     
  13. NoodleArm

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    Best thing for the Jets would be to IR Darnold. Treat this year like a mulligan. And then, yes, build that damn OL.

    Can trade a guys like Adams, Bell, Andersen, and Maye, who would be nice pieces on competing competing or bubble NFC teams (Vikes, Eagles, Rams, Hawks, Niners). They’d bring back enough draft capital to get at least a few shots at a quality offensive lineman prospect.
     
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    Hopefully those draft picks we got for Williams from the Giants today will be converted straight into OL.
     
  15. Vida

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    I've only been watching American football for 10 years but the O-line seems to me to be the most important positions on the field. QB of course but with a great O-line an average QB can look decent.
     
  16. mattyd99

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    Well you know more than the previous general manager already, so that's a good start.
     
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    They are not going to IR Sam D...he draws crowds and tickets even on this scrub Team so the kid has to get lucky to avoid injury. Leave it to Gase to Scheme some better offenses for him to run but don't count on it

    After Mike Mac f'ed this team up down and sideways with loading up on such poor personnel we have have to unload some better players but not Bell for goodness sake ..all the rest you mentioned can go sayonara
     
  18. NCJetsfan

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    I like Bell and he's been a good Jet, but he's wasted more with Gase than you think Adams has been. How many pass routes has Bell run? How many screen passes or short passes in the flats or wheel routes? He's being totally wasted under Gase, as the OL can't open holes for him, and Gase can't or won't call plays to take advantage of Bells' others skills. I'd rather shitcan Gase and keep Bell, but if Gase is going to be here the rest of this season and next year, we might as well trade Bell, get what we can, and use the picks to help fill holes. Very good RBs can be round throughout the draft and can start as rookies. It makes little sense to have an elite RB if you're not going to take advantage of all that he can do, and Gase's system doesn't.
     
  19. Harpua

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    When your best o lineman is someone you literally took off of the scrap heap of another team ... no one is beyond replacement. Lewis could be viable if we replace the guys around him. Everyone else is hot garbage
     
  20. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    I sat in this for 24 hours and it’s still on my mind. I would like to hear why you think he should.
     
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