Greg Williams Installing Attacking Defense

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  1. Biggs

    Biggs Well-Known Member

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    I hope so. The reality is we have to adjust for our opponents and use the match ups that favor us and take a
    Seattle didn't blitz at all. They played a vanilla D, rarely changed personal packages and they had an incredible defensive backfield. They also ran the ball down people's throat with a devastating running attack. Their D played nothing like the Rex D we ran with Revis. They overwhelmed teams on D with superior talent across the board.

    Denver had a great defensive backfield and the best edge rusher in the league and a top 5 edge rusher on the other side. They didn't blitz, they didn't have to. They also revamped their O to chew clock which helped them. They had the best defensive personal in the league. They didn't scheme to victory.

    Philly and Carolina both played attacking Defenses. Carolina had the best CB in the NFL that year. Since Josh Allen left the Carolina D has been in straight decline. They went from 6 to 26 in 1 year playing attack D.

    If you're telling me the Jets have a lock down corner have at it. I don't see it. Attacking D's without the personal get eaten up by today's NFL O's. If you don't have the personal pinning your ears back is a good OC's wet dream.
     
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    FYI after Seattle beat the crap out of the high scoring Bronco's in the SB the league changed the rules for illegal contact and defensive holding. They effectively created a huge advantage for WR both outside and in the slot. That's almost an automatic loss of containment for teams that overcommit to attacking by shifting more players to rushing the passer.

    Richard Sherman was extremely vocal about this. What team made the adjustment without missing a beat. The Pats.
     
  3. ColoradoContrails

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    If, by "attacking D" you mean blitzing a lot, then yeah, without a strong secondary, a good QB will make you pay. But my idea of an attacking "D" is one where the DL and designated LBs who rush get to the QB without all the blitzing. If the Jets can't do that, then the investment in L & Q Williams, and all the other money spent on defense has been a waste.

    One thing that's troubling is that despite this investment they don't have reliable CBs. Maybe someone will step up or they'll find one from camp cuts (not unlikely), but the pass rush had better be as good as they claim or this hole is going to be exploited badly.
     
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    1. Attacking D does not have to mean blitzing D. It simply means the front seven - especially the DL - will not "read the offense and react" and instead "dictate the game flow" regardless of what the offense does.

    2. If the front seven cannot create pressure without blitzing - you're in for a long day. [All hail Todd Bowles!]

    3. Fast DBs with fluid hips definitely help, but to me, if the D is on the attack mode, the DB had better know how to jam the receiver at the LoS. Offenses have learned to stack WRs specifically to counter this jamming practice, because without it, the offense is as good as dead in today's NFL. And yes. This was Bowles's downfall in NY: his DBs NEVER jammed the WRs at the LoS. EVEN REVIS PLAYED FUCKING 10 YARDS OFF. 'Nuff said. Seriously, think about this. If the attacking front seven gets to the QB by some 3 seconds after the snap [which is a lot slower than average pocket time in the NFL] the WR on go route will have hard time reaching 30 yards downfield. If the DBs jams the WR at the snap? He will have to accelerate from 0 mph all over again, barely past 15 yards or so by the time the QB has to let go of the football. Same deal with all other short and intermediate routes; short routes are, by nature, timing routes. Jammed? You're fucked. Intermediate routes also won't open up easily if the DBs jam the receivers hard and well.

    4. Just - one worry I have is that, if you want to go attack mode, the front seven had better know how to contain the QB in the pocket. If they don't - well. that's where these 70+ yard bomb TDs come from.
     
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    They attacked, they didn’t sit back and just react.

    Seattle attacked the ball.

    Denver attacked the QB and had physical back end players.

    It’s not just about being like Rex. It’s about not allowing the opponent to just sit back and pick you apart until the field is shrunk and hope you hold them to 3.

    As for our personnel, well there’s a reason we’re looking for a new GM. But Williams still has to instill his philosophy onto this team so when our new guys come in they can hit the ground running.
     
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    As LT said-

    "Let's go out there like a bunch of crazed dogs."
     
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    An attacking defense sounds great, but it’s necessary. The Jets outside coverage projects to be spotty, so we’ll need the pressures and sacks up front. And it’s also good that we have a DC that’s almost as crazy as we fans are....
     
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    But we don't have the Patriots offense. Bend don't break may work some times, but I wouldn't like to make it our "style" of defense. Bend don't break hopes the offense makes a mistake to kill the drive were as attack defense causes the mistakes that kill the drive.
     
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    Attacking style defensis are feast or famine.

    beyond beautiful one play when the QB is swarmed and slammed to the ground.

    terrible the next when a screen pass goes for 90 yards.

    Reminds me of Rex Ryan's swarming band of lunatics milling about the line until the ball is snapped. Qb had no clue where the hurt was coming from.

    but then this:

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    Can'd find the other end of this pass where Peyton drops the ball in over the outstretched fingers of David Frost (?).

    But either way, I prefer a swarming, attack style defense. Much more fun to watch!
     
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    that is not true. well 'misleading' may be more accurate. Under Patricia maybe, yes, and with mixed results based on their standards.

    But last year they played tight man to man, blitzed more and played more aggressively in the secondary. They rode their best defense in a decade to a super bowl title. their days of "bend but don't break" are certainly over. - - and with good reason
     
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    starting field position.

    If the other team starts (on avg) at the Jets' 45 yrd line, they have 10 yards to go to attempt a FG. Every time we go 3 and out, we give the other team a short field. Leading a defense 2b good at yardage (since the other team didn't have that many yards to go) but bad on points.

    A good ball control offense that moves the chains will force the other offense to march the field after they get the ball back. That's why our defense loves Sam Darnold! He will make their jobs so much easier.
     
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    It sounds great, but I remember MANY times when Rex called a big blitz and the QB just threw a lob pass over the defense for a big gain.
     
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    Why not just practice discipline and tackling?
     
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    Thank you!
     
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    you can't practice that anymore unfortunately. in OTAs they can't tackle at all. even training camp is limited in terms of practicing tackling.
     
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    I loved watching rex's defenses for the jets. a lot more then bowles. we were pretty stacked on D those days though but rex did a great job of suing those players. say what you want about rex, but he knows how to run a D
     
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    It’s easier to let guys play aggressive.

    The Patriots are an outlier, that’s why teams that try and copy their blueprint always fail.
     
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    I lost count of how many quarterbacks looked liked heroes against our defense under Bowles.

    I'm a little concerned about our defensive backfield.
    If we're going attack mode up front...they will be tested.

    I hope they can press w/o getting flagged.
     
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    Attacking defenses lose containment and get holding, PI's and roughing penalties that keep drives alive. Attack defenses is a complete misnomer. Players either own the matchup or they don't. Attacking defenses are blitzing defenses. They are giving up something to get something. It's a decidedly two sided coin.

    Defenses have to cover less ground and defend less area in the red zone. As the field shrinks the advantage moves to the defense. Being aggressive when there's lots of field behind you is decidedly stupid in today's NFL.
     

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