So here we go again. People that knock Chad are being accused of being quiet last week when he performed well. Please read the entire post before you shoot arrows this way. Tom Brady got shutout today. Romo is starting to look very very human. Manning and the Colts are in a freefall. Whats the point? This game has nothing to do with why some will never like Chad as a qb....so stop with the garbage of "where were you last week". Im so sick and tired of reading that friggin line. The people that feel Chad isnt the type of qb you want to lead your team have one simple point. Of all the qb's and teams listed above and not listed above, Chad has one thing that none of them possess. He has a certain limitation at the qb position that even average qb's dont have. Take Losman for example..talk about an up and down qb. Who would you prefer? Well, regardless, Losman doesnt have that limitation. Chad, in fact, sits on this island pretty much by himself. He has no arm. Any quality defense that has a DC worth being in the NFL should have no problem at all coming up with a gameplan to beat him. "Yeah, but where were you when he beat the Patriots".....please..spare me. Throw enough shit up against the wall and eventually it will stick. I have said for the past 6 weeks that the Jets could win a superbowl with Chad at qb. For those that feel Im all over the place with this post just understand, many average qb's have won superbowls. Let the Jets build a dominating defense and yes, Chad could win a superbowl. But thats not the point..just like its not the point whether Johnson was a great qb when the Bucs won..or the Ravens had a great qb when they won. Or Doug Williams was a great qb when the Redskins won. Thats not the point. The point is that right now, with the talent the Jets have, Chad will never put a team on his back and carry them..he cant. Only those that appreciate the position will understand how much it gets on the nerves of the naysayers when Chad floats a sideline pass to a receiver to watch him catch it and get crushed. Or he wobbles one down the middle and misses high. Only a person that chooses the time that Chad throws a pass to go take a leak and make a sandwich only to comeback to his seat to see if the ball was caught or not. It has nothing to do with Chad the person...or the fact that Joe Montana had a weak arm too. Nothing to do with the fact that he took a paycut to be here..or the guts he showed to comeback from two operations on the same shoulder and still be able to float ducks down the field. We just dont like his arm. Thats all there is to it. So give it a break about where we were last week. We were here still thinking that Chads arm stinks..and cant beat a team that plays as aggressive as the Bills played today. Its pretty simple. And next year, after EM AND MT draft a few more stars..and they sign a couple studs..and the Jets go on and win the superbowl with Chad Pennington as the qb..nothing will change. It is what it is. The Jets would join a very large group of teams that won superbowls with average qb's. Period.
I was at the game == so I didnt have a great view but what position was he playing on McG's run? Also, did he bite on Losman's pump fake? Listen EXit -- I like your posts for a 17 year old but tonite's a school nite -- go to bed.
Chad is not your average QB though. His stats may be average, but his style is unique. I kind of agree with your post though, makes sense.
See, thats where I think Chad fools a lot of us. His stats (ok..not this year with his INT ratio) are actually pretty good. In fact, I will even throw him a major bone. With his limitations, its pretty amazing that he has been able to have such a high completion ratio. Those that truly hate him will say thats because most of his passes are short and simple. Very true but if you know a guy will not beat you long, its difficult to complete many passes when teams are lining up db's all within 5 yards of the ball..and daring you to go long. He is a master of the short game..considering his limitations. Again though, thats not the point. Because come playoff time, there will be a defense that will shut you down big time. For me, its not personal against Chad the person. Im sure most people that have a negative opinion would agree with that. I just cant enjoy watching the guy play the position. I am so sick and tired of not having a deep threat option...not because your receivers are slow..but because your qb just cant do it. Even his successful long passes are painful to watch...as Coles sits and waits..and waits..and the defender gets all locked up because he has never ever seen or defended against anything like that ball that just wont come down. Its just painful to watch.
Unique as in he's the only QB in the NFL that checks down on every play? The only QB that will throw to a receiver 5 yards down field on a 3rd and 15? He IS an average QB. When you think Pennington you think smart, ball control QB. This year he's done neither on a consistent basis.
Jaywayne, you summed up everything perfectly. i'm still waiting for the Chad supporters to respond: when we're down two scores into the 4th, how many people - deep down - think it's possible to come back? when you have a QB who can't score without an 8 minute drive, there's no hope. cheers
Jaywayne great post, I am a Chad supporter and I agree with everything you said. Chad can and hopefully will be a SB winning QB. One thing I wanted to add, not sure if anyone had said it. Could it be possible that he is simpply tired? Both mentally and physically? He has not played a lot the last couple of years, and having to rehab 2x... he just looks like he is spent out there which could explain his inconsistency.
It appears that as soon as a team demostrates that they can pressure the QB as Bflo did on the OPENING series of the game. I said to myself that this was lost game cause I have noticed that as soon as you frighten CP he loses his confidence & he is a beaten QB from that time forward. Sorry if most will not like my observation but that is why CP has these stinker games cause he cannot contend with pressure from the other side
I think you hit the nail on the head. It looks like a very tired arm. Many, including me, were really impressed with a bit of zip he showed earlier in the year..the first two games. Like years past, as the season goes on, thats gone. Its always gone.
I said at the bottom of my quote; next year is Clemens or a free agent. But apparently that's not offering an opinion, is it? And yes, I said I DO want Pennington to start for the rest of THIS YEAR; he's better than Ramsey, and I don't like the philosophy of throwing a rookie in when we are still not mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. At this point, Pennington is the best option for us.
Please, where did I say you don't know what you're talking about? You put it in quotes. Show me where I said it.
If I may so we were just beaten up & outcoached yesterday by Bflo. Yesterday the Bills beat us to a pulp on both sides of the ball. Making excuses or bringing ip shoulda, woulda or coulda is just silly since we were so totally beaten
You guys are way off. The problem isn't Pennington. The Problem is Coles and Cotchery. Look back to the games vs. SD. If the QB could take a 5 step drop and heave it down the sideline, who is going to get down the field to go get it? No one. Not since Moss left. This offense has no one (like Buffalo with Evans and Parrish) that scares a defense deep. Pennington wouldnt be running for his life against stronger defensive teams, if there existed a real home run threat on the perimeter.
Well while your assessment maybe correct unless we change QBs we do not have a QB to throw the ball D/field like Losman did yesterday
And when Coles DOES speed down the sideline, Pennington floats it to the defensive back and it's batted down or intercepted.
Not sure what your response means. Where did I say shoulda woulda coulda. Dont understand this post champ. Please reread my post and see that all I was saying is that as the season goes on...Chad gets less effective because of a weak arm that gets weaker.
And would you agree that Moss went on to play with another weak armed qb and had a bunch of long passes for td's?
Well put. I hate the knee jerk reactions from people around here whenever the guy has a bad game. Personally, I think his shoulder is starting to feel severe fatigue now. I think it'll be stronger next year but he gives us the best chance to win now and the future.
You're out of your mind. More then 1/3 of Pennington's TD passes this season have been the result of spectacular individual efforts by Coles or Cotchery. That doesn't even take into account all the tough jumping catches they make going over the middle while Chad hangs them out to dry. I was just commenting yesterday how truly ugly the Jets offense would've been this season if it wasn't for Coles/Cotchery at WR.
