I’ll take three VLTs and three seasons of 1-15 over six seasons of 6 wins and exemplary cap management. I’d like to see the Jets win something in my lifetime - being born 7 years after SB III.
I disagree. Why would it be lame? How is it unfair? The kid is still a #1 pick that his team will have trade up for. It's basically the same thing as the two teams just making the trade prior to the draft. I think it's very likely that the Chargers and Giants had worked out that trade prior to the draft, but even if they didn't, what's to say that the Jets couldn't agree with the Giants or Broncos or Redskins prior to the draft that the Jets would draft Haskins or Murray if he's there and then trade him to that team in exchange for that team then trading their #1 pick, their 2nd and 3rd round picks this year and their #1 next year to the Jets. Even if they didn't make a formal trade prior to the draft, they could at least discuss it and set some parameters, so if that team decided it definitely wanted that QB, the deal could be finalized while the Jets are on the clock.
The dynamics of the teams involved in the QB sweepstakes this year make an early windfall type deal for the Jets unlikely. Here's why: If the Redskins and the Jets ever seriously got down to discussing a deal and nailed down some likely cornerstones that made the deal attractive to the Jets it would be unlikely for the Redskins to make the deal without running it by the 49ers first. Why pay a huge package for the #3 pick when you might get the #2 pick for similar value? The danger in an early deal between the Jets and Redskins is that the Giants would then have ample time to try to blow away the 49ers for the #2 if they thought it worthwhile in order to get Haskins. Note that this type of competition has already happened in the NFL with the Rams trading up for the #1 in 2016 and the Eagles trading up for the #2. When the Rams traded up it was clearly for a QB and the Eagles did whatever they had too to make sure they got a QB also. It's not too hard to see the Giants making a big deal up to the #2 if they thought Haskins was going to go on the #3 and they wanted him.
Why would it make you look like a jerk? IMO it would make them look like geniuses, particularly if they already knew that two teams would take that QB if he fell to their pick or if they could trade up to get him. How would it be different than the Jets just working out a trade with another team prior to the draft? In addition, there are no guarantees that Sam will develop (although I think he will). Green Bay under Ron Wolf took QBs when he had Brett Favre and then traded them a year or so later (except Rodgers). Did other teams think Wolf and GB were jerks? I don't think so, but even if they did, who gives a crap? It paid off for them.
No, being conservative and penny pinching during Sam's rookie deal is the wrong way to go. At some point you need to be all in. They haven't been for a few years. I wouldn't pass on Bosa because it could cost the Jets in 4 years. The goal should be to win now. And I am pretty sure it is, with the moves the Jets are making. I was talking about @Footballgod214's idea, not just saying Mac should blindly ignore the future. I get what he is saying. That is different than drafting Haskins and dangling him in front of teams who want him. That would be more of a time crunch thing. More understandable. I would hope it doesn't come to that though and I doubt it will.
Who says a trade has to be announced before the draft? The Jets and Redskins could agree to a deal in principle if Haskins is still there. As for the Redskins talking to the Niners, I'm sure they would (or at least should) anyway. That would be part of their due diligence. SF could be willing to accept less to move down. The Jets could get greedy, but more than likely, it would cost more to move up to #2 than it would to #3. I"m pretty sure the Niners covet Williams and Bosa, so a team would really have to blow them away with a trade offer. Since Mac made it known that the Jets' pick is for sale, he probably would be willing to accept less than the Niners to move down.
IMO it's not that different than just drafting Haskins and then dangling him. In that scenario, the Jets are risking a LOT. If they can't make a trade, then they are stuck with a player they don't really want. It could backfire and cause a QB controversy if Sam doesn't develop this season. The Jets would have to then eventually trade him and get less in return. If the Jets did that and found a trade partner, they would deserve to be handsomely rewarded for taking such a big risk.
We would lose power or the advantage if there was only one team that wanted him, but if there were multiple teams, and a team wasn't willing to pony up what the Jets wanted, but another team was, the Jets would have more power. They could say to team #1, "Fine, if you don't want to pay us what we want, we'll just trade him to team #2."
^ you are suppose to do this before you draft the player. I would think you would lose power, because teams would just laugh, stop caring and essentially you just hurt your own team in the process.
He could be. But even if he's a tier below Bosa and Allen, the difference could be more than made up by the players the Jets got with the additional picks for trading down. Four or five very good players can easily be better than one great player, and there are no guarantees that Bosa and Allen will be great in the NFL. In addition, there is nothing to say that one or more of the four-five players the Jets took with the picks they received for trading down could wind up being great or better than Bosa/Allen.
I agree that it's best, smartest and safest to work out a trade before hand or at least during the draft, and not just take a player and then try to trade him. It's very risky, but it could pay off. With the Jets' luck, however, it's all but guaranteed to blow up in the Jets' faces.
Well we have not featured a fierce pass rusher since Abe, way back when. So if one is staring you right in your face? You don't run away from that pass rusher. You DRAFT him.
Two sides to every argument. Yes, what you said about our pass rush is true, but no player in the draft is a slam dunk guarantee. So even if they did take an edge player at 3, that does not mean it is a bullet proof draft pick. Those guys can bust just like the rest of the 1st round/any round. I prefer trading back because they will get a haul back. 1st rounder this year, next year and mid round picks as well. The argument that Mac can't draft so we shouldn't trade 3 away is an elementary way of thinking. More picks is always better. This draft class is loaded with edge players, not just the top 5.
I don't think it's elementary at all. When projected top picks don't fall into his lap Williams, Adams, and Darnold), his track record has been terrible. We absolutely have to consider the possibility Mac will blow his windfall.
