Tracking Sam Darnold vs Other Rookie QBs

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  1. statjeff22

    statjeff22 2008 Green Guy "Most Knowledgeable" Award Winner

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    His biggest problem is that in the last couple of games defenses have also stopped him from running, using a spy on every play. Even the Pats, who have slow linebackers, could do it using a cornerback because he's such a bad passer. In the last two games he's averaging 3.3 yards per carry, while also having a 49.3% completion percentage, averaging 6.3 yards per attempt, with a passer rating of 66.8. Those are bad statistics. It's not a coincidence that the offense has scored 26 points over those two games, with 6 points coming in garbage time. I know his receivers stink, but the Jets receivers aren't much better, and Darnold has shown you can still be successful in today's NFL with not-so-great receivers (because a good QB and favorable rules make them look better than they really are).

    He is going to have to work every day this off-season on improving his accuracy. I have no idea if he can do it, but between injury risk and NFL defenses, counting on running is no long term strategy for a quarterback. I don't see any way a QB playing the way he plays right now can be successful in the long run in the NFL.

    And I happen to agree with you - I didn't realize he'd be so good with his legs to start, but it seems to me that he has been exactly as bad a passer as his detractors said he would be. The question isn't whether he has talent, it's whether it's the right kind of talent to be able to be (at least) a top half NFL starting QB.
     
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    For a normal DUI stop where the driver just gets pulled over and arrested, maybe.

    For a DUI where the driver gets into a devastating crash with horrible pictures of the scene going public, it’ll be more.
     
  3. BroadwayAaron

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    If you gave Josh Allen the exact same group of players around him for these last three games he still doesn’t play as well as Sam has. Sam is making plays in every area of the field. He’s waiting for people to get open, directing traffic and at times he’s even creating plays for other people. I haven’t seen Allen do that even a little bit so far. He’s just a deep ball thrower at this point in terms of through the air. Like some of these passes Sam is putting right on Robby on the sidelines? I don’t think I’ve seen Allen do that ever including his college film.

    And that is where I’ve always been completely turned off by Josh Allen. Throughout his full two-year career as a college starter he showed tiny glimpses of being able to do things that make up a successful NFL quarterback, meanwhile you have guys like Sam and Baker and Rosen who were doing them on a weekly basis. If he wasn’t tall and athletic you are looking at a fifth round quarterback at best.

    Now I’m definitely not saying if you put Sam around that current crop of bills players that he’d be having the same success he’s had the last three weeks with us, but I’m pretty confident in saying Josh Allen’s issues as a thrower go far far far beyond the roster around him.
     
  4. 101GangGreen101

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    Lamar has been more accurate with the football. Both very good on the run. To an extent they are comparable, but Jackson moves the chains, you don't really see that enough from Allen.

    Rosen needs an offensive line, I think he will be OK.
     
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    Santa Sam - 1
    Santa Baker, Allen, Rosen or Jackson - 0

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  6. BroadwayAaron

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    I had Jackson over Allen predraft and it’s the same post. You see a semblance of QB ability with Jackson. They are few and far in between at this point but they are there. With Allen you see nothing whatsoever. And with Jackson, you’re designing runs and plays based off his ability to run. Allen just takes off when the play breaks down or when he panics and his top option isn’t open. I don’t buy into either of them as long term solutions at QB but Jackson has been and will be the better pro.
     
  7. BroadwayAaron

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    Cian mostly sucks, but I was told that I only have my opinion of Allen because I don’t watch him a lot. This guy watched every single snap.

     
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    I've never been high on Allen, but to be fair, he has an OL that makes ours look like an all pro unit.
     
  9. BroadwayAaron

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    I’m pretty sure a few pages back there’s a breakdown on stuff like this and Sam has the worst ranked OL and highest teammate turnovers plus the highest graded defensive opponents of the big 4 rookie QBs. Not that Buffalo has a GOOD OL, but Sam is dealing with worse (by the numbers at least).
     
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    Even better for us then.
     
  11. forevercursed

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    And we all saw this coming when he was in college. He was literally a guy who needed to sit and needed sit at least 1 1/2 years if not 2 full season

    His physical arm talent is generational. But he has nothing between the ears

    His absolute upside is a poor mans Jeff George. Basically he's always going to be a 53%-58% type QB. Because of his arm yes he's going to chuck it up there and make some huge throws. He's also going to make monumental mistakes.

    He will NEVER finish ranked in the top 3rd of NFL QB's. Ever
     
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    Man where is SGB when you need a biased opinion.
     
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    Arm talent as in like arm strength you mean right? Because that’s literally all he has. Arm talent to me means you have the touch, the accuracy, the velocity... he has close to no arm talent. He’s Patrick Ramsey with wheels.
     
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  14. I disagree w the assessments & am not writing Allen off.He throws accurately outside the hashes on a number of different routes & if he can clean up his propensity to throw late n high down the right seam he can throw deep ins & the like just as well.

    He has massive upside & im anxious to see how he progresses heading into spring OTAs.

    Is he as good as Sam? No.
     
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    He does have massive upside, but is too boom or bust for my liking. I'm glad we didn't take him.
     
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    Yeah he throws accurately on the outside when those receivers are wide open. He lacks anticipation.
     
  17. BroadwayAaron

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    0 anticipation. 0 touch. He can’t make many throws other than the deep ball or like you said, to someone wide open that he can throw on a straight line to. He looks every bit as bad of a thrower most people thought he was going to be.
     
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    I swear his favorite thing is when he drifts, drifts, drifts to the right, outside of the pocket then chucks it down the field. It almost always ends up in a turnover lol.
     
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  19. Martin&theJETS

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    The fact he was pumped up into being a 1st round talent is hilarious. Thats the combine and work out warrior effect. Allen to me was MAYBE the 5th best quarterback. He has 3rd round project written all over him. The fact the Bills took him top 10 is HILARIOUS. I can't get over it. I would have lost my mind if we took the kid.
     
  20. BroadwayAaron

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    To be fair Sam has had some of those too, but for Allen it seems to be a habit. At least Sam these last few weeks has made a ton of great plays rolling out and directing traffic. When Allen starts to drift... just cover your eyes.

    I just haven’t seen a single thing from him in two years as a college starter and one year as a pro that says he will ever be a good thrower. It’s still insane to me that he was a first round pick. I’m glad it was a division rival that made him one.
     

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