I just posted this response to Boozer's post about this article in another thread: Well Mehta is a confirmed homer, and likely mouthpiece for the Jets (including probably Macc), so maybe he's been fed "the scoop". OTOH, how can he or anyone (like the Johnson Boys!) look at the stats about where Macc's draft results line up to the league average and not go "OMG! Macc has to go!" There is absolutely NO justification for retaining him. Especially if it's true that a number of his picks went against his own assessment and were based on what the CS wanted - how can he have learned anything from that? Would his picks been better? We can't know because they didn't come here to this particular set of circumstances. Or were the picks okay but the coaching the problem? And to have this guy with this track record be involved in choosing the next HC? This article has all the markings of the J&J Boys floating a trial balloon to see if they can soothe the fans anger with just one head lopped off. If I were a betting man I'd wager Bowles goes and Macc stays - another bridge completed only half way.
it looks like you are going to get your wish, sort of. they'll commit to mac for the longevity of the next coach and everything will be aligned properly again(finally?)
I can grit my teeth through that actually.Mac i believe IS competent & given some of Bowles bizarre schematical philosophies i can understand completely why itd be difficult to identify players for him. I dont buy that it will scare HCs off bc the ones whod be scared off wouldnt interview for the Jets to begin with. Im sure theyd much rather interview w Maccagnan than the Johnsons & as i alluded to earlier,if Mac IS a lameduck if the HC plays his cards right he’ll have input on the new GM. A Gm should always be given a longer leash than a HC bc its a more macro position in & of itself. I wont be upset if Mac is let go but if the org structure is being fixed & hes not being given an extension its not the end of the world. A new HC w a clue on what he needs for his system & a decent eye for talent is the much bigger fish to fry
McCarthy. Interesting feedback from this thread. Many here are flat out saying. I want no part of him. OK, I'm not advocating him as our first choice. But compared to what.? Some make it sound that they would rather keep TB. LMAO. HE IS 1000% better. Comparison to Kotite by the way are just as absurd in my view. Let's just say this. If we get someone better than him we will be blessed, period. Hope you wizards are right.
I was right there w you until i really gave it some thought. Think about what Pepper Johnson said as well as how backwards some of Bowles philosophies we actualy know about are: 1 gapping DL 34 w undersized LBs behind it,basing literally everything on stopping the run first & foremost including his prototype for cornerbacks. In that one sentence all 3 levels of the defensive personnel are ass backwards! An GM worth a damn has to at least try to accomodate the HC’s scheme..so you end up w picks like Leo,Lee,Burris,Mauldin etc The very prototype Mac was trying to draft to is flawed in & of itself..for 4 years! Mac has had a plan all along..the problem has been more execution & given what i just said above i can give him at least a season to see what develops under a different head ciach w a proper power structure. The alternative is likely another arranged marriage as the Marx Brothers Woody & Wolj Race against time & other more competent team hiring bodies in trying to hire a great GM & Coach who actually want to work together over a week & a half time frame. Mac has contacts within the league & will be hiring someone to save his job.Hes sold ownership on a long term vision he cant afford to come up short. Given the circumstances i hate the idea of the johnsons hiring a new GM/HC more than i do Mac staying on board for another year.Simple as that.
My biggest issue his he has had too many misses in rounds 2-4 and those players aren't contributing elsewhere. Hack, Mauldin, Stewart, Hansen, Smith, etc...... Let's say he brings in Matt Campbell to be the next HC. Is his drafting gonna get better all of a sudden in those rounds?
I can't provide any proof (nor can anyone, pro or con), that demonstrates 100% why Macc has to be fired. I understand your POV and the rationale for keeping him on to see if a better HC, and a different reporting structure allows him to be the GM we need. For those reasons, I'm not going to slit my wrists if he's retained (like I will if Bowles is retained). But his track record in drafting players (and I WILL knock him for his 1st rounders even if most people are giving him credit for them, I don't think he's done well enough with the possible exception of Darnold), and FA signings has been TERRIBLE...not just less than average, but TERRIBLE. Now MAYBE his picks/signings have been mostly forced upon him by Bowles and since they're on the same "level" he couldn't refuse, but I really doubt that he couldn't say "No" since he IS the GM. But if that IS the case, this franchise is even more f'ed up than I thought (and you know how f'ed up I believe it is). But in any case it seems as if the "die is cast", and we'll have to hope that the problem with Macc has been Bowles and the reporting structure,
Sorry my friend, but imo, you just aren't thinking straight. The thing is, you can't just give him "a season." If Mac is retained, then he has to be here for 3 more years at a minimum. If we let Mac hire the new HC and then Mac's draft and FA moves are still awful then the Jets will just have to accept it for 2 more years. By that time, the talent level on the team will be at an all-time low, and I'm not sure that anyone could fix that mess. If they keep Mac 3 more years and he screws the pooch, they might as well just fold the franchise. You can't fire him after one more season if he fails in FA and the 2019 draft, or you'll have to fire the new HC too, then no one decent HC candidate will want to come here. You won't be able to keep the HC, because then you'll be in the same situation as Idzik and Rex, where you're trying to get a GM to accept a HC that's already here and not allowing him to hire his own HC. No decent GM candidate will accept that. How do you figure that the alternative is another arranged marriage? Your reasoning/logic here totally escapes me. Please elucidate.
I dont think im off base at all. Mac isnt getting any more years than he warrants. If his draft picks already here dont show progress & whatever he does in 2019 FA blows up in his face,he’s gone. If the coach shows promise & is well respected in league circles he wont hamper a search for a new GM & wont lose his job.The issue w the “Idzik search” was nobody wanted to work w Rex & the Johnsons came across as putting Rex above the very GMs candicacy before he even walked in the door. Gms get fired Coaches stay on board..it does happen. Gms & coaches do not always come in & leave together.And w the way the “black monday” goes in the modern NFL it is extremely risky & borderline irresponsible to try to rebuild an entire football operation over a 2 week period when you’re in an arms race against other clubs trying to interview the same people but can focus all their energy on one position rather than a GM & a coach w the added dynamic that the GM is supposed to have first say on his coach.Its a time crunch.The chances of getting the right people,who want to work together & have philosophical synergy is slim..w the Johnsons running the show near impossible. It’lll be another arranged marriage bc there isnt time to do things the right way. Beyond that..do the johnsons have any idea what ails this franchise from an operational perspective?Do they know what questions to ask coaching candidates as it relates to scheme?Of course not. I want continuity w Mac solely for the head coaxh hiring process.He isnt incompetent & knows where things went wrong w Bowles & what he needs to hear from the team’s next HC. You wanna say we’re gonna hire a VP of football operations who is gonna clean house & hire all the right people? Hell yes.Sign me up.Clean house & lets fix this thing the right way. The johnsons arent relinquishing power.And i dont want them picking the team’s next coach much less trying to find a general manager at the same time.Not under any circumstances
It doesn't make any sense to me. McCarthy would be an excellent choice as the next head coach. Everyone cries that they want an offensive mind, A QB guru. Everyone wants someone who has been a winner. Everyone cries about inexperience/mistakes the coaches we've had for years have made. Everyone cries about no-name coordinators. Here you have a shot at an experienced, successful Superbowl winning head coach with connections to build a great staff, that just so happened to mentor some of the games greatest QBs and is known for his offensive acumen. McCarthy is everything they want but they still don't want him. I would be thrilled with a McCarthy hiring. I don't see it likely though, sadly given ownership here always wants to go the cheap route with coordinators
McCarthy FIXED Rodgers by the way!! Don't let that smug SOB Rodgers influence your opinion on McCarthy. The media also has been on Rodgers' nut sack for the past 5-10 years so they aren't telling it like it is either. Rodgers was flawed when Green Bay got him. That's why he fell in the draft. His mechanics were trash. He was winding up so awkwardly. It was slow and the way the ball was coming out it was creating inaccuracy. Watch the clips of his first season in the preseason. Awful. McCarthy was the one who suggested he bring the ball down lower before he throws. Conventional wisdom at the time would be to keep the ball up, to avoid fumbles, but it was throwing off Rodgers' whole windup. That alone changed Rodgers' whole career as the ball was coming out smoother and cleaner. He should be grateful for what McCarthy did for him but Rodgers is a dick and is grateful to no one. We have a similar QB here with nice pieces but an odd windup/footwork and desperately in need of some grooming before its too late.... McCarthy should be the top choice
First and foremost, I agree with you that I don't want the Johnsons hiring the next HC. If they only have a two-week window in which to hire a GM and HC, then I tend to agree with you there as well, that that is a reason to keep Mac, but ultimately, I don't. Mac has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he isn't the right man for the job. Be it is own eye for talent or because he accepted personnel decisions forced upon him by Bowles and Woody, the talent level of this team after 4 years of his leadership is abysmal. The very fact that he wanted Hack when no one else did (which is totally believable) alone is enough to put his job in severe jeopardy, and when coupled with his other decisions in FA and the draft, I can't accept his handling this crucial offseason, and I certainly don't want him hiring the new HC. IMO he would be no better than the Johnsons at finding the right man. I'm surprised that he can find his way to Starbucks. The thing is why do the Jets have to be limited to a two-week window? They don't have to wait until Black Monday to fire Mac. They could fire him now or next week and immediately start interviewing candidates. Other teams do manage to do both in 2 weeks and get it right, so it can be done. Of course, they don't have the Johnsons calling the shots. Ultimately, that's why I think it's hopeless. Nothing is going to get better as long as those two trust-fund boobs are running the team. We all need to just accept that fact. Another way it could easily work is to hire one of the Harbaughs and give them complete control and allow them to hire the next "GM" to handle the cap, make trades and oversee the scouting and personnel depts. The HC would have final say on the draft and FA. I disagree that the only issue with the "Idzik" search was that they didn't want to work with Rex. I agree that that was a big part of it, but I think most GMs want to be able to hire their own HC. Unless that GM candidate already knew and liked that HC, or already thought that that HC was the best person for the job, I don't think many potential GMs would accept that situation, particularly with the org chart the Jets had/have. You're right that GMs and HCs don't always come and leave together, but that happens in stable franchises with knowledgeable owners or franchises that have a VP of Football Operations, not teams with clueless owners like the Johnsons. Sadly, you're right that the Johnsons aren't going to relinquish power. They're not gonna hire a VP of Football Operations. That's why we're just wasting our time, energy and lives following this sorry excuse for a professional sports team. I appreciate your thoughtful, rational answers. I knew that you would have a logical thought process for your perspective, and I respect that and you, but disagree. I'd rather take my chances with one of the Harbaughs, or if they don't want it, I'd be willing to roll with Mike McCarthy and letting him make the decisions. I don't want another novice HC. At least he's had some success in the NFL and deserves respect. The Johnsons deserve NO respect, and Mac doesn't deserve much.
My question is this, are those misses because he was trying to appease the CS and their philosophy or is it because he just doesn’t know how to evaluate players? Maybe his drafting will get better if he and the HC are on the same page with regards to team building philosophy.
Maybe...are you willing to stake the Jets' future on "maybe?" We'll probably never know the answer to your question regarding on how/why he has all those misses, unless he stays and continues to miss. This offseason is too important imo to rely or hope on "maybe." His job as GM was to rebuild the roster, fill holes, and upgrade the talent level. He hasn't. It doesn't really matter why. Part of his job is, if necessary, to teach his boss what's the right move and explain why. If he couldn't win Woody/Chris over or help them see how Bowles was clueless and shouldn't have been extended or get what he wanted, then he has failed as GM. IMO he must go.
Excellent, excellent points. Those who want a young OC are oft n the same ones that will scream for his head if he doesn't produce something special on day one.
Here is a thought for the TGG fans that want Mac out. A move I do not object by the way. Who are the realistic candidates available and interested that can immidiately step in and start changing the direction of this ship? And if so why haven't we released Mac already so we can get a major jump on the guy. The only name I've seen is Wolf. We talked much about HC replacement but IMO finding the right GM or VP of ops is probably equally if not more difficult.
GM candidates are hard to judge. Your going to get a list of retreads or assistant GMs who we really know very little about the work they are capable of. I will say this roster is so devoid of talent it’s not an immediate fix. This is not the Rams replacing Fisher and things looking all rosy. Macs attempt at a rebuild needs a two year rebuild of its own.
My solution would be to hire a coach like either Harbaugh and let him pick the GM. So the power structure would be like that in Seattle where the coach is in charge but the GM has real power and isn't a figurehead.
Much the same as with coaches, you can't interview before their season is over. Here's a short list of possible GMs. There are surely several other names people can add. Edit: wanted to put names mentioned in personal order of preference. 1: George Paton - Vice President Of Player Personnel /Assistant GM - Minnesota Vikings. Jets interviewed him in 14, Was the Packers first choice but we're denied interview by Vikings. defensive back for the UCLA Bruins from 1988 to 1991. NFL Scout late 90s through 2000 with Chicago . Miami Director Of Player Personnel 2001-06 Director Of Player Personnel Vikings 2007-2012 / 2012 - present, Assistance GM 2: Brian Xanders – senior personnel executiveLos Angeles Rams Four year DEN GM and 24-year NFL scout for ATL, DEN, DET, and LAR. 3: Joe Douglas : vice president of player personnel – Philadelphia Eagles 19-year NFL scout who spent 16 seasons with BLT, then a year with CHI before joining Philly 4: Chris Polian – director of player personnel – Jacksonville Jaguars Three-year IND GM and 22-year NFL scout for IND, ATL, and JAX.
