Tom Coughlin went from Boston College to the expansion Jaguars and got them into the playoffs 4 out of the first 5 years. Barry Switzer won a Super Bowl immediately, although it was pretty much in spite of his presence. Pete Carrol, though he had plenty of previous NFL experience. It was more common in the old days. Don Coryell, Dick Vermeil, and Paul Brown are examples.
If he's head and shoulders the best candidate, no, it shouldn't stop us, but imo it is a consideration. If two candidates are fairly even, and one uses a very similar version of the WCO that we have been using and the other uses a totally different system, I'm going with the one who uses the WCO. Sam's development is being delayed enough by Bowles and Bates. We don't want to needlessly hinder his development by making him learn an entirely new offense next season. That usually doesn't work out very well for young QBs.
Thanks. I forgot about Coughlin. that's a good example. I guess anyone would be better than dummy bowles but the small number of successful transitions from college to pros seems pretty alarming. Especially when folks are talking about guys like Lincoln Riley, Matt Campbell, Scott Frost, etc.. that like just 3 years ago were still college coordinators. that's a thin resume to begin with. Like Raiders hiring Lane Kiffin territory
I feel like its a longer list than you may think. Ha Also. Air Coryell and the WC offense originated from succesful college football HC. Innovation is there. I am lazy and don't wanna search it but I'm guessing a lot of good coaches have come from the college football ranks. Pete Carrol. Just popped in my mind as another. Ha
It's very relevant. We have dumb ownership and a mediocre to bad GM. Who in this organization is capable fo finding the next great Head Coach? Getting a great head coach is almost impossible because they don't grow on trees. They're like trying to find the next great QB. You have to look everywhere and take a huge chance. That is against every NFL principle. This league is built on competitive mediocrity.
Oh, well that's different than what I thought you were asking me. I thought you were talking about OTHER teams. Yes, I have no confidence in ownership or the front office here. They suck big time. fuck them all
I think we could do a lot worse than a Carmichael, DeFilippo, or Toub. They all come from winning programs with years of experience. Sure every guy has his red flags and they're all risks to some degree but at least go for the guys who are widely viewed as some of the best candidates out there. Not some out of left field BS like the Jets usually do. Now the Johnsons just have to be ready to hop on one of these guys and not lose out to some other team who's looking. And get a damn GM in here too.
Thanks for the link. What a chasm of difference between their offense any Bowles offense! Instead of Carmichael, I vote for giving Payton whatever he wants to come here.
Those that don't know about Matt Campbell, I think this guy has a shot to be a pretty good NFL coach. https://www.desmoinesregister.com/s...owa-state-cyclones-nfl-ellis-hobbs/517349002/ https://247sports.com/college/iowa-...-Campbell-says-the-balance-depends-120888603/ He seems to have a keen eye on adapting the old school (run to set up the pass) and the new school (RPOs, spread concepts). He's been an offensive line coach, has called plays, I think he values the trenches a lot. Strong emphasis on game-planning.
Jim H isn't having the best coaching day today. Also I don't think he will be a HC candidate, but a possible OC candidate (iirc he was linked with a few NFL OC roles last year) is Ryan Day
The question isn’t in isolation of how many college coaches are succesful in the NFL, it’s how many are succesful versus not succesful. If you can only point to three or four being succesful, but only 6 or 8 are given the opportunity, then I’d say a 50% success rate is pretty damn good. What college coaches have outright failed in recent memory? Spurrier, Petrino, Saban; that’s all I can think of. But you can point to as many or more succesful ones.
