Thanks for the response, UnhappyJetsFan. I can tell from your reply that you are one of the most knowledgeable football fans on the board.
I have no beef with you, either. I think you've been a good poster and didn't want to see you get banned.
I would rather ask him why he's got so much time on Da hands of his to be posting so much on Da Jets board when he's an alleged fan of Da Bears. Freak
^^^Schillinger, please stop launching personal attacks against me, which as I understand, clearly violates the rules of this message board. If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all. Thank you and good day.
Lighten up Francis. I'm not attacking you. You're just bent out of shape and embarrassed because I asked you a few questions regarding your alias at the ChiCitySports Bears forum. You've been rapidly starting threads here at a JethroTull rate since this past Monday. I don't have a problem at all with fans of other teams posting here, however, you're the first one who's come off trollish to me due to all those threads you've started recently. You accusing me of having too much time on my hands is comical. Look in the mirror...Mike Neufield. Lmao
Once again, I politely ask you to refrain from launching any further unwarranted personal attacks against me, Schillinger. Thank you and good day.
1. Greatest Jet team? Maybe Joe-Namath led Jets that won SB. 2. Greatest NFL team? Anything and everything BUT 1985 Bears. Bears Defense can't stop a nosebleed in today's NFL. That's the systematic weakness of 46 defense; the more spread-out the offense is, the easier it is to pick on them. Dan Marino proved it on a prime-time TV. In today's NFL? Good luck. I happen to believe that, 1985 Bears D was a byproduct of under-developed offensive philosophy and designs. If you don't believe me, just look at the early part of 1985 campaign. It was McMahon and the offense that carried the team, not the defense. They only found their defensive identity midway through the season.
Good post. The 80's were dominated by Bill Walsh's 49ers for a reason. The 1985 Bears played against an amazing amount of crappy QB's. They played two games that year against elite QB's and went 1 and 1. they beat Montana and Marino destroyed them. They did beat both Simms and OBrein both good not great. Theisman was completely washed up in 85. Here's the QB list they played in 1985 Jim Zorn Steve Deberg twice Tony Eason twice Tommy Kramer Joe Theisman Randy Wright Eric Hipple Garry Hogeboom/Danny White David Archer Mike Pagel Ken OBrien Eric Hipple Phill Sims Dieter Brock Steve Grogan
you conveniently omitted arguably the greatest QB of all-time in Joe Montana off of your "official list", even if you did quickly mention him in your short opening paragraph. I assume that is because you noted in the opening paragraph that Bill Walsh and his WCO as operated by Montana, dominated the 1980's. You would actually be correct in that statement. The 85' Bears went out to Candlestick and dominated Bill Walsh, Joe Montana Roger Craig, Jerry Rice, and company, surrendering only 3 points to Montana and the 49ers offense, while sacking Montana 7 times and holding him to an absurdly low 160 yards passing. Yeah that's right, But yeah, I guess you're right, the '85 Bears were dominant only because they played QBs like Eric Hipple and Dieter Brock, lol. No way they could DOMINATE the greatest QB of all-time playing alongside the greatest WR of all-time for one of the greatest coaches of all-time on the team which you stated was undeniably the team of the 80's, lol. Regarding the Dolphins game against Marino, McMahon was injured and did not start (and I think we would all agree that whenever a team is without its starting QB, they are at a decided disadvantage) ,the Dolphins scored multiple FLUKE TDs on a blocked punt and on a ball that bounced off of Dan Hampton's helmet and landed in the arms of a Dolphins receiver 15-20 yards downfield, and after making the requisite half-time adjustments, Marino and Miami were limited to a single TD in the entire second half, so let's not go crazy with the "Marino and the Phins DOMINATED the BEARS" talk. The final score was 38-24, hardly a blowout. The reason the Bears lost that game was not their inability to handle an elite QB, as evidenced by their complete demolition of Joe Montana (who everyone would agree was a far better QB than Marino) but due to: a-Ditka's idiotic decision to try to beat Miami with Steve Fuller's arm instead of relying upon Payton and the Bears outstanding OL and B-Ryan's stubborn refusal to utilize the Bears nickel package until the 2nd half and C-McMahon not playing until late in the game. oh and a few more corrections...you intentionally give short shift to both Phil Simms and Ken O'Brien. Simms was actually a pretty damn good QB, who has two rings and turned in one of the greatest Super Bowl (if not THE greatest Super Bowl performance of any QB in NFL history) in Super Bowl XXI, in fact in 1985 Simms threw for damn near 4,000 yards, which back in 1985 was a ton of yardage for a QB to throw for in a single season. Ken O'Brien was a Pro Bowl QB in 1985, throwing for over 3,800 yards with a season-long QB rating of 96.2 in leading the Jets to a 11-5 record, and Danny White was definitely a good NFL QB who threw for over 3,000 yards (still a significant statistical milestone for a qb back in 1985) that season. Context matters, and both Simms and O'Brien were very good NFL QB's during the 1985 season, which is the only thing that matters for the purpose of this discussion. Furthermore, I love how you focus entirely on the QBs which the Bears faced while completely ignoring the fact that back in 1985 the NFL was still a RUN-DOMINANT LEAGUE. So yes, they faced Dieter Brock in the NFC Championship game..but guess what? That John Robinson-coached Ram offense wasn't centered on Dieter Brock, but on the outstanding OL led by HOF Jackie Slater and on one of the greatest RB's of all-time in Eric Dickerson, who was smack dab in his HOF prime in 1985. Chicago also faced a Cowboys team that, yes was QB'ed by Danny White (who was definitely a good NFL QB as noted above), but was also led by HOF RB Tony Dorsettt.....the total amount of points Chicago yielded to both of these teams? that would be 0. The '85 Bears REMAIN the only team in NFL HISTORY to not surrender A SINGLE POINT to any playoff opponent on their way to the Super Bowl. In fact, their defense single-handedly OUTSCORED both of their NFC playoff opponents. They also had a 3-game stretch in the month of November where the Defense single-handedly scored more points total than any of the Bears opponents. So, yeah the 1985 Bears were the MOST DOMINANT TEAM in the history of the NFL, and unfortunately, anyone who can't see that irrefutable fact is quite blind. But hey, if your criteria is that they can't be considered as such, because they lost one game all year long to Dan Marino, or because most of the QBs they faced weren't HOFers, then fine, lol. Go ahead and find me a team in NFL history that faced a bevy of HOF QB's and who didn't lose more than 1 game all season-long to any of those HOF QB's. Good luck, lol. I'll wait here. on a Final note, no less an authority than the HOF and Super Bowl-winning coach John Madden has gone on the record as stating that the "1985 Chicago Bears were the most dominant defense he has ever seen as a player, coach or broadcaster during the 50+ years he has been involved in the NFL." I think we would all agree that Madden knows more about football than everyone on this board combined, and his teams went head-to-head with the Steel Curtain Steelers teams of the 1970's, so for Madden to go on the record as stating that the '85 Bears were the best team he has ever seen...yeah I would say that is definitely significant.
