IIRC, he has said that mid and late round OL picks can be sufficient. I think most here would strongly disagree with that notion. We'll see if he learns his lesson come next year's draft.
Montana didn't start until halfway thru his 2nd season. He was also a late 3rd round pick. I'm in total agreement with your post. Sanchez (as shitty as he was) was stripped of playmakers and it was goodnight Irene. Let us pray the same fate doesn't await Sam. I'm starting to like him.
So wait. You’re saying going from 4th to 5th to TWENTY EIGHTH isn’t something we should be concerned about? I mean if you average it out we’re golden.
Considering the fact that we haven't drafted a 1st round O-Lineman dating back to 2006 with Ferguson & Mangold, I 100% agree with your assessment and feel that Maccagnan must attack offensive lineman both early and often come 2019's draft, especially after the drafting of a potential Franchise signal caller in Sam Darnold; which is why I'm 100% against trading away multiple draft picks (including our 1st round pick) for a 27 year old Pass Rusher in Khalil Mack (regardless of how good he sounds). I will always feel more comfortable going with the traditional route of a 1st round Franchise LT, a 1st round Center and/or a 1st round road grader of a Guard etc, etc. However, some of the very best offensive linenan within today's game (or fairly recently) have been drafted outside of the 1st round. All of these O-Lineman (below) have been selected to All-Pro team(s) dating back throughout the last 8 years (2010-2017): Andrew Whitworth (2nd round, 55th). Roger Saffold (2nd round, 33rd). Chris Snee (2nd round, 34th). Mitchell Schwartz (2nd round, 37th). Michael Roos (2nd round, 41st). Max Unger (2nd round, 49th). Sebastian Vollmer (2nd round, 58th). Ryan Kalil (2nd round, 59th). Kelechi Osemele (2nd round, 60th). (9) Louis Vasquez (3rd round, 78th). Evan Mathis (3rd round, 79th). Marshal Yanda (3rd round, 86th). (3). Daryl Williams (4th round, 102nd). Jahri Evans (4th round, 108th). David Bakhtiari (4th round, 109th). Josh Sitton (4th round, 135th). (4). Marcus Cannon (5th round, 138th). Carl Nicks (5th round, 164th). (2). John Sullivan (6th round, 187th). Jason Kelce (6th round, 191st). (2). Jason Peters, (Undrafted, 2004). Andrew Norwell (Undrafted, 2014). (2). While these O-Lineman (below) were all drafted during the 1st round. Jake Long (1st). Joe Thomas (3rd). Lane Johnson (4th). Trent Williams (4th). Jack Conklin (8th). Tyron Smith (9th). Taylor Lewan (11th). Ryan Clady (12th). Zack Martin (16th). Mike Iupati (17th) Maurkice Pouncey (18th). Kyle Long (20th). Alex Mack (21st). David DeCastro (24th). Duane Brown (26th). Joe Staley (28th) Nick Mangold (29th). Travis Frederick (31st). Logan Mankins (32nd). (19). Statistically speaking and to no shocker; the 1st round is where it's at in terms of finding your next All-Pro caliber O-Linenan with 2nd round being a distant second (all other rounds being a crap shoot at finding potential All-Pro O-Lineman). In terms of statistical percentages with regards to Offensive Linenan who've been selected as All-Pro's (dating back to 2010) the statistics go as followed.. 1st Round: 46.3%. 2nd Round: 21.9%. 4th Round: 0.97%. 3rd Round: 0.73%. 5th Round: 0.48%. 6th Round: 0.48%. 7th Round: 0.00% Undrafted: 0.48%. In closing I hope we're able to... A.) Sign our impact pass rusher through Free Agency (two FA Edge/Outside Pass Rushers would become an NYJ fans dream come true). B.) Trade Teddy Bridgewater for a 2nd round draft pick (I'd then be able to root against that team throughout the season like no tomorrow while also scouting potential 2nd round O-Lineman throughout the course of 2018's NCAA college season). C.) Draft a Franchise caliber LT with our 1st Round pick, followed by drafting a Guard (or another OT for RT) with our 2nd round pick (double dip). D.) Look to sign an upgrade of a Free Agent O-Lineman (in order to transform the makeup of our Offensive Line, almost over night).
With Mac's overall terrible drafting history, and almost criminal neglect of the offensive line, the only thing that will save his legacy as GM would be Darnold turning into a legitimate franchise quarterback.
That really is an unbelievable drop off but how many OL players get selected each year for Pro bowl ? Do two or three of them become repeat selections that then would weaken the percentage further down, if they were that good in their postion then they will be named every year, leaving not much room for anybody else from any draft position. I would like to know how many from the lower drafts had what would be classed as very good careers, that will give us a more true reflection of the abilities of OL drafted 3-7
Ereck Flowers would solve a problem for the Jets right now. Leonard Fornette, Mahomes, and Watson would have been better picks and more importantly players at positions of need. The Maye pick was a great value and solid. Hindsight.
You must have skipped a few decades because no fan is more patient than a Jets fan. Calling out incompetence is a right. Some things were totally not a coach's fault. The Mud Bowl, Vinny ripping his Achilles opening day, John Idzik. How do you gauge progress when you win 4-5 games every year?
Now come on Macc never tried Hack. You know most teams rebuild and compete at the same time. Imagine that. Do Pittsburgh string together a decade plus of losing seasons? How bout Green Bay. One thing they all had in common was a great QB. The Jets should have been drafting QB's day one of Macc hiring. Instead they tried bottom feeding with Hackenberg and Petty. There were two QB's last year that Macc passed on to take a safety that we didn't need.
I have to disagree on that, our second round picks have a history of turning out to be busts but for the first time in a long time Maccagnan nailed that one. I was definitely upset too when I saw him pick Maye in the second round instead of Dalvin Cook or Joe Mixon but after Year 1 I’m glad he did. Look at the Seahawks’ 2010 draft, they took Earl Thomas III and Kam Chancellor and nailed it, it took them two years to fully come together and be the best safety duo the league has seen in recent years, Adams and Maye really have potential. Last year the biggest liability on that secondary were the corners, not Maye and Adams, or are you seriously gonna tell me you rather have Calvin Pryor and Marcus Gilchrist as our starting safeties again? That 2016 secondary was atrocious to say the least, so yeah, maybe it wasn’t a conventional thing to do but Maye has been the best second round pick the Jets have made in a long time, barring a severe injury I really think Adams and Maye are just getting started and it’s exciting.
Boozer, I don't about taking Ereck Flowers over Leonard Williams. Had we taken Flowers over Williams our defensive line would currently be awful right now. Not only that but Ereck Flowers in 3 years has A.) Was never selected the NFL's All-Rookie Team and B.) Has not been selected to the Pro Bowl/All-Pro when in comparison to Leonard Williams who A.) Made the PFWA All-Rookie Team and B.) Has already been selected to the Pro Bowl. Selecting Flowers over Williams would have gotten Maccagnan fired (see below). Bro. I don't know too much about the Giants or even Flowers for that matter but I (now) know enough to know that... A.) He's been criticized for quitting on his team and having poor technique. B.) Has been criticized for not living up to draft status expectation. C.) Has given up the most QB pressures of any Offensive Tackle dating back to 2015 (169) and has damn near gotten Eli Manning destroyed. D.) A boat load of penalties called against him. E.) Rated as the 54th ranked OT within the league. And F.) His own team the Giants have deckdecl his 5th year option (due to all of the above). Who would trade away Leonard Williams, for that? Come on Boozer. And if you know me you know I love me some running backs and know I was super high on Leonard Fournette (as I was Saquon Barkley). Leonard Fournette was my favorite player heading into 2017's draft but unfortunately Leonard Fournette was not an option for our Jets, as he was drafted 4th overall (and NYJ didn't pick until 6th overall). And I don't know about taking Mahomes or Watson over Jamal Adams either. Hindsight is 20/20 but I rather my QB (or draft pick) not be coming off a serious ACL injury such as Watson. I've gotta see him stay healthy over the next two years (2018 and 2019) before I can put any stock or belief into his knee. And I still take Jamal Adams over Mahomes especially once factoring in just how strong of a draft class Maccagnan knew was on the horizon come 2018's QB class; and we ended up landing and walking away with Sam Darnold ala the highest rated QB coming out of college since dating back to Andrew Luck.
A safety we didn’t need?! Were you really happy with Calvin Pryor and Marcus Gilchrist as our starters? Please give me some of that good stuff you’re smoking.
Exactly. We not only needed one Safety, but rather we needed two. And drafting two badass SEC Safety's out of LSU and Florida in Adams and Maye is now considered a stroke of genius from Maccagnan by double dipping and going 'S' back-to-back; those two positions (SS/FS) are now two positions that we'll never have to (highly) draft again over the next decade; outside of catastrophic injuries occurring. And as Pabloja mentioned the Seattle Seahawks pulling the trigger and going Safety's during the 2010 draft ended up paying dividends for Seattle. Although they went 1st round, Earl Thomas and 5th round, Kam Chancellor rather than 1-2 with Adams/Maye that legion of boom Secondary would have never existed without their two stud Safety's on the back end. One thing that I find intriguing about Adams and Maye is that they've wanted to play alongside of one another since dating back to their H.S days and had not Adams selected LSU over Florida, that Gators defense would've been nasty with those two as a tandem back there. I'm very excited about Adams and Maye as a Safety duo and feel they will be known, feared and respected as the best 1-2 punch at FS/SS within the next year or two, at the most.
I was not but we didn't need back to back safeties when we needed a QB and offensive line help right away. The Jets never addressed the offense in the first round till this year. It was 10 years of picking defense and not having a great defense.
I've never heard of Geoff Schwartz. I like Williams coming out but he is regressing each and every year. Not blaming him just saying. I think its more Bowels and Rodgers than anything else. It will get worse because now he has nobody to keep him from receiving constant double teams. The other line mate could be handled one on one. I would have taken Mahomes and Watson over Adams every day and twice on Sunday. We could have gotten by with Maye in the 2nd round and our draft would have been fine right there. Watson made an immediate impact and set records. Adams not so much. We've been down this road. If there was a Flavor Flav award in football for Hype Man of the Year Adams is your guy. Just this past weekend he blew his coverage and the Giants had a huge pass play.
The difference is that those are free agent signings, guys who are already established in this league and you generally know exactly what you are going to get from them. That's great Mac has hit on some of those, but he clearly has a hard time evaluating offensive talent coming out of the College system, and that is alarming if we have a franchise QB that we are trying build around. His whole mantra was to build through the draft, and we all know you can't build a team with just free-agents.
HAHAHA! This team does seem to fall for the banana in the tailpipe a bit. I'm not saying Adams is a bust, far from it, I think he will be a solid player but going back the Jets have certainly reached for more than their share of players that were all hype pre-draft. Calvin Pryor Jace Amaro Dee Milliner Vernon Gholston ... and that's just off the top of my head.
In three years with TB our D has gotten progressively worst and the team penalties as well. Yet we think he is good because the average is mid range and the problem is lack of talent. Good Lord that is insane.
