There is plenty out there already about Rosen that could piss some owners and GMs off. Some is his concussion history and some is not.
I'm really curious to see where he actually lands. If he actually is falling, then he has to seriously be rubbing people the wrong way, because his film is outstanding. I can't see how someone can turn off that many people, but we don't know these guys. Rosen and Mayfield have both taken the approach of "I'm not going to hide who I am; I'm not trying to please everyone", but for whatever reason the rumors are that it is working for Mayfield and not for Rosen. Personally, sounds like a smoke screen. I don't think Rosen makes it out of the top 5, much less 10.
Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if the source of the "Rosen is bad" rumors are the Jets. And that the talk about Mayfield being a "lock" to be taken by the Jets is the smokescreen, so that teams like Denver or anyone else interested in Rosen stay where they are - or at least don't trade up to 2 - so that Rosen falls to the Jets at 3. I could be wrong, but I can't see why anyone - even Cleveland - would pass on Rosen if they're looking for a QB.
Wow that is 52 to 53 yards in the air on a line. I don't put a lot of credence into arm strength or once one exceeds a minimal amount but I do think that throw does refute any criticisms. I would rather look at the consistency of throws rather than highlight reel throws. One interesting story I read said that when Josh Allen broke the combine velocity record this year the previous record was 60 mph. Mayfield through at a 60 mph velocity at the combine which was then either 2nd all time or quite close which tells you how live his arm is. Your video really demonstrates his arm strength even better. If its not a smoke screen on Rosen I suspect it might be more durability concerns than character but it could be both. We only get a sliver of information about character concerns. We will likely never know what teams truly think of Rosen. But, it only takes one team to like him enough to draft him. I just want to say XXedge. I snuck into work today to get some work done while no one is around to bother me and I all I have done so far is sit and read your posts. I could have done this at home. Thanks for the nice posts. My work productivity is going to go up quite a lot after the draft.
You and me both man. I'm hosting a consultant this week and also taking my wife out for our anniversary on draft night, so this week will be torture for my Jets draft OCD. In many ways, looking forward to this process to being over and having the answers. Hopefully it leads us to positive feelings after the fact.
Regarding the velocity thing, check out this article: http://insidethepylon.com/pylon-u/t...s/2018/01/15/baker-mayfield-two-torque-touch/ Being able to generate torque on Mayfield's throws, his hip torsion, his ability to change up speeds and do all this with precise ball placement, is a recognized, and perhaps underappreciated aspect of his game. It is one of the primary arguments for why he can transition to the NFL and make the sort of tight window throws that people want to see. This article does a good job detailing this, and also provides an additional reference that focuses on torque as it pertains to Cam Newton.
Agreed! And to take it one step further, frankly, not only do I think it wouldn't be a surprise I believe that's exactly what's happening here. Again, this isn't Mayfield bashing at all but I just believe the whole Mayfield thing is absolutely a smokescreen to make the #5 spot more appealing for someone like the Bills to target as opposed to the #2 spot...We'll only know for sure if both Mayfield (very likely) and Rosen (somewhat likely) are available to the Jets at #3, but my spider sense is screaming smokescreen. I just can't see Mac going so far to the opposite extreme of what he believes are the best attributes for a QB to have: big, taller, strong armed, pocket passer...but that's not to say I can't see them warming to Mayfield should it come to that, after all Rosen/Darnold may both be gone at #3... So my take, like anyone cares, on the order preference for the Jets is: Darnold, Rosen then...which to me is the most interesting debate, Mayfield or Allen...We know from the reports they've extensively scouted Allen for over 12 months, with the coaches from WY saying months back that no one has done more homework on Allen than the jets...But what we don't know is what the homework told them. So again, I'm not comparing any of these QB's to each other, but rather trying to crawl into the heads of Jets leadership...But will go on record as saying Rosen is the guy, and passing on him should he be available at #3 will end up being a big mistake...of course assuming Darnold is gone...and I'll even say I'm not totally sold Darnold is better than Rosen, just think he's less risky due to the concussion issue...if not for that I'd take Rosen over Darnold. And I'll make a less certain prediction, but I'm guessing if confronted with Allen/Mayfield, they take Allen...Just a hunch, but this whole "warming" thing to Mayfield may be true and may not, but all the effort on Allen makes me feel they like him a bit better...If you really think about it, there was no Jets/Mayfield buzz at all until the clock started getting closer to the draft, and that's the time when no one tells the truth...Tight lipped Jets, date on the calendar tells everyone it's time to send disinformation, and Mayfield buzz occurs = smokescreen...then again no NFL team is paying me for my opinion so it all means zilch...
I would caution against thinking Mac is in the tank for tall big arm QBs. It does seem that way because of Hackenberg, but I remember before the draft a lot was made of Mac and Co meeting Hackenberg and taking him to dinner and being absolutely blown away by his personality. Nobody knows for sure what Mac thinks, which is a good thing in a way, but I believe there to be more to his evaluation than on field.
If Rosen and Mayfield are there at 3 and McCagan picks Mayfield, he needs to be fired on the spot. Mayfield is a spread offense, undersized QB. History is against him. Rosen is an NFL ready QB with upside and can start right away. I pray this is all a smokescreen by McCagan because if he traded all those picks to draft Mayfield, it would be one of the worst trades in NFL history. Mayfield would've been there at #6. 100%.
On the Gang Green Nation podcast today they had a scout on who said Scot McCloughan was pushing Dorsey hard to take Mayfield with number one. I hope it is not true. The more information that we see it appears that Mayfield and Darnold have put some separation between themselves and Rosen and Allen although for me it's Mayfield and Rosen and everyone else.
I cant find one thing that Mayfield does better than Rosen, that makes Mayfield the pick over Rosen. Or Darnold for that matter.
You can not like Mayfield and that is fine, but really? How about his ability to avoid the pass rush?
