I have no issue with him moving up to 3 for one of 3 QB's he likes not named Mayfield. I kind of question his ability to make a proper evaluation of QB's but at either 3 or 6 that is largely out of his hands which is a good thing imho. This is a league of prototype's and Mayfield's size and college offense don't fit the hyped prototype so yes I think he'd be there at 6. Again, it's not that I don't like him (I was hoping they'd stay at 6 and pick him) it's about maneuvering the draft into your favor. I don't disagree with you on Allen either, I think he is the only top QB in the draft with Jamarcus Russell bust potential. I'm not sure any of these QB's will be a superstar pro-bowl caliber QB but I do think all (with the possible exception of Allen) will be league average functional QB's, something the Jets haven't had since Pennington so they need to get one of these guys. The issue is if they were fine with Mayfield at 6 but thought per below that there is a decent chance all 4 could be taken by 6 then move up to 4 and give up less picks. Moving to 3 means to me they must take one of Darnold, Rosen or Allen otherwise they wasted whatever draft currency it cost to move up that extra spot to 3. All these possibilities need to be considered by Mac. Jumping the gun at the Colts without considering that they could give up less to get the Browns #4 pick and their guy is not competent. We will see when it plays out but I want my GM to be smart enough not to waste draft currency. Denver is a wildcard, they shed themselves of Talib to create cap space for Keenum but only gave him a 2 year deal. That's a head-scratcher. They knew they didn't have the firepower to get Cousins so I think they had Keenum targeted all along. If they really like him why not lock him up with a 4 year deal? A 2 year deal is for an aging vet QB placeholder. So it's very possible they would have taken a QB at 5 so there was a possibility the #4 QB would not be there at 6. No idea what that probability is but it seems it was high enough for them to make the move up.
The problem is, cleveland would have to be willing to trade down. we know they talked to them about the 1 pick, maybe they talked about the 4 as well? maybe cleveland felt that barkley will be there at 4 so didn't want to move out? The only team set at QB for now and the future in the top 6 picks was the colts hence why they were willing to move down, get extra picks and can still land a top talent. especially if 3 Qbs go in the top 5 which could happen, or even 4, they get a top 2-3 player in the draft still and extra picks. The jets drafted at 6 the past 2 years in a row and got the top prospect in 2016 (williams) and a top 3 prospect in 2017 (adams) so 6 is a good spot to be in, if you don't need a QB. chubb, barkley, fitzpatrick, nelson are the consensus top 4 in the draft and at 6, they are guarenteed to get their choice of at least 2 of those 4. tons of value plus the extra 2 2nd rounders this year and the 2nd rounder next year. For Cleveland they are loaded with picks already and probably have their target at 4 (barkley)
Joe Thomas just retired, if I'm the Browns I grab 2 Jets 2nd round picks (likely their early 2nd round this year and next years 2) and move down to 6 where I either get a luxury pick of Barkley or I get a much needed pick in Nelson to protect the QB they just took at 1. If they luck out the get 2 extra draft picks and Barkley at 6. If not they get Nelson and can get a very good RB with the Jets 2nd round pick. I heard about the Jets asking about the Browns #1 pick but nothing about #4. If it comes out Mac never bothered to ask about 4 that's not a good fact.
on the value chart the Browns #4 is worth 1,800 pts. The Jets #6 is 1,600pts. Swapping 1st's and giving up their 2nd round (#38 pick is 502 pts) so that normally would be enough but throwing in either their other 2nd round pick this year or next year's 2nd round should have been enough to move up to 4.
cleveland has 2 1st rounders (1st and 4th overall) 3 2nd rounders (2 in the top 5 of the round) 1 4th 1 5th 2 6th that is a ton of high picks and 4 in the top 35. they can land easily 2 pro bowlers and 2 good starters with those top 4 picks. trading back 2 spots to get 1 more late pick isn't worth missing out on barkely or chubb. If i was Cleveland I wouldn't have traded down either a month before the draft. They get their Qb (likely darnold) plus guaranteed to land barkely or chubb at 4. moving to 6 means they could iss out on chubb, nelson, and barkley. that's a big miss to get 1 extra late pick when they have a ton extra already. Their offense is geared up big time already. taylor at interim QB, landry and gordon at WR, throw in barkely at RB or nelson on the o-line could be huge. it would be but again cleveland already has 2 extra 2nd rounders including the 4th pick in the 2nd round. the difference is missing out on a player they love for a 3rd extra 2nd rounder doens't make much sense
Interesting..... Andy Benoit Verified account @Andy_Benoit 5h5 hours ago Would be shocked if #Broncos took Baker Mayfield. Have heard coaching him at Senior Bowl was not a totally smooth process for that staff. 27 replies44 retweets65 likes
It's a smokescreen leak. They want him I bet. John Elway is picking the groceries there in Denver. John Elway was a cocky SOB like Mayfield. I bet he loves him.
Could be....I won't be pleased if we gave up (3) 2nd round picks to move up for Mayfield, but who knows what is plan at 1 Jets Drive??
Just to recap the post in the Barkley thread (how do I keep doing this?): Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen are my top 2. Not sure who I like more but it won't matter because one or both are gone by the 3 pick. Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson and Baker Mayfield are my next 3 with Allen probably the least favored of them because I think he has a high bust potential if not brought along slowly and well supported in his early years when he does hit the field. Mason Rudolph is kind of in his own tier (2.5) as the guy I think somebody will snipe at the top of the 2nd round. I don't think he is as good a prospect as Darnold and Rosen but he might be better than the next 3, particularly if he winds up in a strong organization with a plan. He's the guy that the Patriots could reasonably get that I don't want anywhere near Bill Belichik and staff. Luke Falk, Chase Litton and Mike White are in the 3rd tier and should go in the late 2nd through mid 4th rounds. They're not likely to be starting NFL QB's but you never know these days with 4 starting QB's coming out of the late 2nd (Jimmy Garoppolo is the first guy since the 80's to do this), 3rd (Russell Wilson) and 4th rounds (Kirk Cousins and Dak Prescott) in recent drafts. Kurt Benkert, Riley Ferguson, Kyle Lauletta, Tanner Lee and Logan Woodside are in lottery land. Some people will like one of more of this group of QB's as significant prospects but all I see are significant projects. Everybody has strengths that stand out and areas where they look weaker than the average prospect. I mention Aaron Murray and Zac Dysert in connection with the range because these are guys where I looked at what they could do and not what they couldn't do and so I overestimated them in the drafts they were in. I mention Tom Brady because from close observation I knew what he could not do and so underestimated him in 2000 and the Patriots found the things he could do very well and cut the rest of the stuff from the playbook.
with all of the discussion on this board about drafting a QB, here is a good read written by Brian Billick.... http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0900...-draft-a-qb-part-4-the-kyle-boller-experience
It is actually a 7 part series of articles written in 2012, very interesting....especially the part: "Both Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III are consensus "sure things." If everyone is right, the Colts and Redskins won't have to worry about the quarterback position for another 12-15 years."
I don't think that there's any chance that Mayfield will bust, so I'm not worried about it. The Jets may not even draft Mayfied,so I won't worry from that perspective, either. Even if it were to happen, I can take it. Everyone on this board who takes a strong stand or has a strong opinion is wrong at one point or another. Besides...if they give us too hard a time, you can just ban them all! LOL
With all due respect the bolded is wrong. If Mac likes Darnold, Rosen and Mayfield, but not Allen, and traded up to #4 instead of #3, he could be sitting there at draft day looking at Allen, Barkley, Chubb and Nelson. He cannot take that risk! He has to assure himself of getting one of the 3 QBs he thinks is the best. Screw draft capital. That is relatively unimportant. If he gets the QB he wants and that QB proves to be a great pick, no one will care about the draft capital. Conversely, if he had traded to #4 and then lost out on all the QBs he wanted, he would have gotten crucified in the media and probably fired.
For you Mayfield backers, this is why it is so difficult to project "spread QBs".. http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0900...a-qb-part-5-spread-qbs-are-a-pain-to-evaluate
Man, I haven't been here in about two weeks and it seems like the tide is turning against Mayfield. I understand people preferring Darnold and Rosen, but the hate for Mayfield is rough. All I know is that I want Darnold, Rosen, or Mayfield to be a jet after we pick third. Dear God, don't let Josh Allen near this franchise.
If we have to choose between Darnold or Rosen, I am going to be stressed. making the wrong choice here will kill this franchise. I can see Browns going Allen, Giants going Barkley/Chubb. Allen is showing some serious improvements and continues to get better fast, scouts and coaches love his work ethic and ability
ESPN made a good analysis on Baker, he is a rhythm QB. He is NOT RUSSELL WILSON. In fact, he cannot get out and scramble well at all. He is a very good passing QB. Thing is does he seem franchise QB worthy. At #3 now we have to go franchise QB rather then a good offense operator
One of the things I like about Baker is that he is a great rhythm thrower. To some people (like me) he has rare accuracy and anticipation that can’t be taught. To others he’s undersized and a product of the offense he played in. I don’t think you select qbs based on “knowing” they will be a franchise qb, because 9/10 times you don’t know and you just have to get lucky. All 4 of these qbs have major question marks... pick the one who best fits your offense and is least likely to bust and maybe you get lucky.
