Chad to qualify for All-time QB rating this week

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  1. wildthing202

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    What was his rating coming into this year?

    TBTF
     
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    That's pretty sweet. I wonder where he'd be if not for the 2 sub 50 ratings he has had this season.
     
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    They really should redo the formula to reflect the fact that they have changed the rules to make passing easier. Notice how many guys in the top 20 are still active players.
     
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    The Dark Knight Well-Known Member

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    #7? Wow, this Pennington guy is pretty good.
     
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    Good for him...Just this season his decision making has been very un-characteristic.
     
  7. JetsIn2004

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    You are partially right. The game has changed too. Back in the day, you went up top and that was about it. Look at Namath's stats as evidence. You ran the ball, A LOT. Now it's a passing game. Part is the rule changes, part is just the speed at WR.
     
  8. RobA

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    Good for him, that's quite an accomplishment.
     
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    countdown til GlennFoley rips this thread a new one
     
  10. 3rdAnd15Draw

    3rdAnd15Draw Well-Known Member

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    Isn't Daunte Culpepper in the top 5 for All-time QB rating?
     
  11. silent scream

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    I never really liked how passer ratings put too much emphasis on completion %.

    The only reason Chad is ranked that high is because he's thrown 5000 4yd dump-off passes.
     
  12. Barry the Baptist

    Barry the Baptist Hello son, would you like a lolly?
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    Correction..... 1491
     
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    jonnyd 2007 TGG.com Funniest Poster Award Winner

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    but completion perccentage and td to int is a huge part of it....so the running didnt really hurt...I think its more because its impossible to play db now
     
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    Yeah, back in the day you could basically knock down WRs whenever, now it's no contact after 5 yards, forget knocking them down anywhere. The modern V-O-line format wasn't allowed until fairly recently, it used to be completely horizontal. It was harder being a QB back in the day. I don't know what their QB ratings are, but guys like Montana, Young, Aikman, Bradshaw, Elway, Kelly and a bunch of others were really good QBs, better than Peyton Manning, Drew Bledsoe etc. Favre is kind of at the very transition, he was amazing early on in his career, and then the rules changed to make it easier, and he didn't really excel as much as he did comparatively to earlier in his career.
     
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    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

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    1978 was an important year. There were significant rule changes before the 1978 season. They were put in place to open up the passing game and cut down on injuries.

    38 quarterbacks had a single-season passer rating of 100 or higher. (And it is passer rating as opposed to QB rating. The rating does not reflect leadership and other intangibles that play into effective quarterbacking. Also, the rating doesn't take into account rushing yardage by the QBs. The rating measures passing efficiency more than anything else.) 27 of the 38 instances occurred after the 1978 rule changes.

    Here are the 11 pre-1978 ones:
    1960- Milt Plum, Browns, 110.4
    1945- Sammy Baugh, Redskins, 109.9
    1943- Sid Luckman, Bears, 107.5
    1966- Bart Starr, Packers, 105.0
    1971- Roger Staubach, Cowboys, 104.8
    1963- Y.A. Tittle, Giants, 104.8
    1968- Bart Starr, Packers, 104.3
    1976- Ken Stabler, Raiders, 103.4
    1959- Charlie Conerly, Giants, 102.7
    1976- Bert Jones, Colts, 102.5
    1966- Len Dawson, Chiefs, 101.7
     
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    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

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    it was 92.1
     
  17. alwaysbeenajetsfan

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    Interesting info, thanx for the research. I think that does tell you alot about how the game has changed. I believe though, the most impressive ones in the list are later on, in the 60's and 70's. Prior to then, I don't believe defenses were as well prepared, and the NFL in general was less competitive. Is there anyway you could post the particular changes that were made after the 77' season? Though it was later on, the Al Toon rule was pretty necessary to keep guys like him from getting bashed in the head.
     
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    Cakes Mr. Knowledge 2010

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    changes for the 1978 season:
    -pass blockers allowed to extend arms and open hands
    -defenders can bump receiver only in first 5 yards

    After a healthy number of 1000 yard receivers in the 1960s (75 total), 1000 yard receivers were scarce from 1970-77.

    1970- (4)- Gene Washington, Marlin Briscoe, Dick Gordon, Gary Garrison
    1971- (1)- Otis Taylor
    1972- (2)- Harold Jackson, John Gilliam
    1973- (1)- Harold Carmichael
    1974- (2)- Cliff Branch, Drew Pearson
    1975- (1)- Ken Burrough
    1976- (3)- Roger Carr, Cliff Branch, Charlie Joiner
    1977- (0)
     
  19. TheBlairThomasFumble

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    Thanks.

    TBTF

     
  20. AMJets

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    I understand that QB Rating is a flawed statistic and drastically favors players like Pennington, but it is impressive that before this season he would have been 5th on the list, 0.2 behind Montana.
     

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