I bet you anything the main reason for all the delays were precipitated by some of the clauses that the GM wanted and Mo refused. Something tells me someone jammed his contract down our throats....and might have been higher that Mac.
Horseshit. Rex Ryan has been gone for years - it's way past time for blaming him for anything going on today. Whatever Bowles has established for him, his coaches and his team is all on him. Isn't Bowles the guy who said if a guy was late sometimes it just happens, no big deal?
I agree with all but the bolded part...Bowles surely knew about Wilkerson's work habits and attitude, but if he passed that on to Macc and Macc did nothing about that, well then yeah, Bowles is off the hook for that much. Still, where were the disciplinary measures that SHOULD'VE been levied on Wilkerson by Bowles? I think both Macc and Bowles screwed this up.
Munsoned - the word describes someone who has everything going for them and when they reach the pinnacle of their success they do something that causes them to lose it all. Usually whatever makes that person lose it all is by a bad decision they have made driven by greed. Muhammad Wilkerson is the new Roy Munson. When NFL players throw away their career after reaching the top, they will call it...Wilkersoned.
No bullshit about it. This isn't something that has just started happening. Read the entire thread. No one is blaming Rex , I said Mac and Bowles we're aware of Mo's issues and after discussing it with him, decided to sign him to his current contract. I have also been on Bowles for his lack of discipline for the past 2 years. The fact remains, Mo has had the very same issues since 2012. When Rex was here. But you are trying to say Mo's issues are from Morton saying he threw in the towel the other day. That's bullshit. Your trying to blame 5 years of behavior on a presser that just took place.
They were both aware and both share responsibility. Mac should have structured his contract with the necessary clauses, and Bowles should have disciplined him much sooner. Look at the situation with Lee, first time late, one game suspension, Will habitually late, Repeatedly benched a quarter, gets benched again for part of the first quarter. Mac should have taken the third round pick in 15 and been done with him. We will never know what the behind the scenes dynamics we're between Boles, Woody and Mac but it was a bad contract.... Again hindsight is always 20/20. But the more successful organizations seem to make better decisions.
to think we COULD have had the best D-line in F-Ball in Richardson-Snacks-Williams for the next 10 years. Macc's Revis and Wilkerson debacles (possibly Hack too) makes it hard to feel good about him. Macc HAS had some good moments, but screwing up our D-line will always haunt him.
You brought up Ryan. To what end? I repeat: "Whatever Bowles has established for him, his coaches and his team is all on him."
I was replying to this: "Are we sure that Wilkerson is the problem or is it possible that he has a problem with the OC saying they had to get off the field because they were stinking up the joint and the DC forecasting stinking up the state of Louisiana? Maybe he's not the one who should be on the couch this week. Bowles has lost the coaches room" I stated that the issue with Mo goes back to 2012 when Rex was here. Never blamed Rex. I said it is on Mo. He is the one who chose not to show up on time repeatedly. Bowles job is not to go to Most house and escort him to meetings. Bowles has been lax in disciplining him for sure, but it's still on Mo. Why are you making excuses for Mo? You suggest his actions for the past 5 years are due to a press conference that happened after the fact. And your misinterpretation of the DCs presser. You don't show up for work on Monday. It's on you. Not your boss.
No, I'm suggesting, again, that the coach sets the tone for the entire organization. The coach allows his coordinators to publicly throw up their hands in surrender. The coach allows team members to set their own standards rather than setting and enforcing the standards he wants the team to have. It seems that in any business there are always slackers out there who may cause others to need to work harder but the underlying problem lies on management for allowing that condition to exist, not on the individuals who are permitted to get away with that kind of attitude.
This post is about Mo. He needs to go. He should have been gone 2 years ago. It's on him. Bowles has lacked discipline since he arrived, he appears to have improved in that department this season. Not enough for my liking but it is what it is. Mo is still ultimately responsible for his actions. There are plenty of threads on Bowles to debate his shortcomings. Your still making excuses for Mo, but maybe Im just old-school and believe a man should take responsibility for his actions.
I was one of the people who wanted to pay MO his money because he was a solid player before got hurt. I was wrong. A professional shows up on time and does his job no matter how bad the coaches and the management are, especially if they are being paid what Wilkerson is getting. Time to cut him loose.
Read a good article on Mo today about how the Jets should bench him the rest of the season, then cut him as soon as the Super Bowl is over since it won't change the cap charges and he won't be able to sign with a team going to the playoffs.
i he has offset language in his contract they should cut him now.if he signs with another team they could recoup some cap space. i don't see the point in being petty about it.
What a great way to send a message to this fat, uninspired, over paid looser. Bench him for the rest of the season or cut him now. Waterever benefits the Jets the most. How embarrassing to even suggest back in the day that he was looking for JJ Watts kind of money. He is not even remotely in the same league, either as a player, a proffessional or a leader. He is not in anyone's top list for sure. Richardson, Snacks and Williams was the hot ticket, instead we choose the worst of the bunch to dictate who stays and who goes.
Yeah, it's hard to say. How much did the injuries factor in to his downfall? He's had a bunch this year, but that still doesn't excuse the tardiness and bad attitude. I get the vibe that he's just fed up with this organisation. He used to be a model citizen and was supposedly a big locker room guy that said all the right things and loved playing for the Jets, but that all seemed to change when Bowles got here. I think when the Jets offered him the contract they told him that if he did not, they were just going to franchise him again the following year, so they gave him the equivalent of how much he would get paid from that in the first 2 years at least. I feel like he took that personally, because it left him with no choice in the matter. Either way he was stuck on the Jets. IMO, the big mistake that Mac/Idzik made with handling this situation was waiting so long to give him an extension, and then paying him while he was injured (especially when Idzik had that extra 20 mil that season and sat on it). If the Jets gave him a deal 1-2 years prior to the whole franchise tag fiasco, it would have been a lot cheaper and the deal would probably be on its last year now, so it wouldn't have hurt the team so much.
I just keep thinking he will either end up on the Patriots or Seattle. I wouldn't care so much if he signed with Seattle, but he would definitely thrive there. I'd just hate to see him on Patriots or Bills. He would be super motivated to destroy us every time we faced him. I do think it's more of an attitude issue than a talent issue. He can play when he wants to and he WILL want to against the Jets.
Does it? He played much better under Rex, and I don't remember him ever being punished for tardiness during that time. Granted, we know Rex was super lenient and didn't really hold guys accountable, but Bowles benched Wilkerson for parts of games in 2015, and 2016. Now he's being benched an entire game in 2017. He's been disgruntled ever since Bowles/Macc arrived on the scene and Harrison left, but I have to agree that Bowles is at least trying to hold him accountable. You mentioned issues in 2012? What issues did he have aside from rumors about sneaking out after bedtime? Is there more than just that?
