Bottom line is this has to stop. This has been such disgraceful and obvious screwjob. I mean seriously does the NFL think we're idiot? Does the NFl think we think this is all coincidental and just flat out bad luck? It's really time to get to the bottom of this and I don't care what extremes we have to go to
As others have said, for me it's about seeing conclusive evidence to overturn that. I didn't whatsoever. You know that he regains possession but you can't see where.
This has to stop!!!!!! I say we protest by kneeling during the whole game from first whistle to last whistle
Even if he did not have control of the ball when he hit the pylon who is to say that he did not fumble the ball earlier (resulting in ball at one yard line?). Given that they overturned the call on the field these officials took a lot of lattitude.
It's too bad this country doesn't have some kind of governmental department of justice that wasn't too limp to look into corruption in a sports league. If only there wasn't a weak players union that could get to the point that they address plays like this instead of getting owned by the NFL on their CBA. If only the Jets owner didn't have his head up his ass in Europe. If only the players didn't just say screw it and leave these 32 billionaire owners that contribute nothing and start their own profit sharing league. if only they would have just called holding ten times today like most games
Even the NFL explanation doesn't claim he did not have possession when he hit the pylon. "He lost the ball. It came out of his control as he was almost to the ground. Now he re-grasps the ball and by rule, now he has to complete the process of recovery, which means he has to survive the ground again. So laughable, so the crossing the plane with possession doesn't matter. Hitting the pylon with possession doesn't matter. Because he bobbled the ball for a millisecond, he needs to reestablish possession in bounds or through the act of hitting the ground like it was a fucking catch.
They really said that? That's complete nonsense - players bobble the ball in the backfield all the time, and if they regain control and cross the goal line it is immediately and automatically a touchdown, period. There is absolutely no requirement that they hold the ball all the way to the ground, since the play is immediately over. This isn't about it being a catch on the pass, as he was already a runner at that point. Edit: I've now seen the full quote. They claim that after he lost it for the first time he recovered it, hit the pylon, and then lost it again, and didn't regain it until he was out of bounds. I challenge anyone to show me a single angle that shows him losing the ball a second time. It's simply untrue. Here is the full quote: Here is the shot he referee is referring to: https://streamable.com/qllgf There is absolutely no evidence that he lost the ball a second time, and to overturn the call on the field based on this so-called evidence is beyond outrageous.
Marty Lyons called it the worst call he's ever seen. He's been calling Jets games since 2002, and has been around the game obviously since the 1970's. I hope they publicly acknowledge they were wrong. We may have still very well lost. But that was disgraceful. No idea what the OP was watching. If the angle from the near sideline showed him bobbling the ball, then maybe you can live with it. That nearside angle showed absolutely nothing of the sort. Of course CBS coverage had to show their god damn advertisement while the referee was giving his explanation so we only heard it in the background.
I’m currently traveling, and just watched the replay. In 50 years of watching football that is a touchdown replay or not. How they could say there was evidence to overturn is beyond me
I know this is off topic, but please do not trivialize what the players are protesting. It’s serious business
The conclusive, indisputable evidence simply does not exist. The NFL got it wrong. They'll issue a letter on Tuesday saying, "Our bad," which really means, "We'll get higher rating with the Patriots in the playoffs." As a separate matter, the NFL needs strict guidelines so that all players/teams get treated equally. I've never seen the amount of physical contact between players and refs as I did after that play, when the Pats were lobbying for a call. If the shoe was on the other foot, the Jets would have been flagged for unsportsman-like conduct with all the ref-touching/lobbying going on after that play. Same thing, too, with players being in the refs' huddles. As far as I know, players are supposed to stand back while the refs are conferring and making their decisions. Throughout the game, Brady flaunted that custom by seemingly getting into the refs' huddles. No one else does that kind of thing to that degree (i.e., being in the huddle). (It's alsop tough to see McClown, or even a rising star like Carr or Wentz getting away with it.) As a rule, it should be banned and enforced because letting players get close to the refs destroy the appearance of impartiality. And, given how a crucial call went the other way, it gives the appearance that the game was rigged. But don't worry, the NFL won't do anything.
I’ve watched the Zapruder footage of the TD and, while I could understand the refs not allowing it in normal time, there’s no fucking way that the ruling on the field should not have stood with that little evidence to overturn.
This is an interesting interpretation of the play. One sports station claimed that the NFL ruled it a fumble because of lost possession twice. The 2nd one being when he landed on the ground the ball was not secured. Until I get a definitive explanation, I am going to side with most of the people on this board that it was a TD.
This fuckin league is a joke...there is NO WAY IN HELL you reverse that call , not to mention turn over possession to the Pats. If that were Brady to Gronk the result of the play would NEVER have been anything but a TD.
We ink part of the ref's decision was the reaction of several Pats players after tackling ASJ immediately erupted and disputed with the sideline ref. To me, the touchdown was called and there was no clear evidence that he did not regain possession when he touch the pylon. Pretty gutsy call.
It's this second loss of possession thing I can't see. Thats what the ref said it was overruled for. I've seen images of the ball apparently loose after Buttler hits it, I've seen another later image of the ball being back in ASJ's control and I've seen an even later image of his knee down in bounds and about to cross the plane and his shoulder about to touch the pylon. I've yet to see even a hint of this second loss of control anywhere.
