Lets kick some more tires - DGB

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  1. Greenday4537

    Greenday4537 Well-Known Member

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    They didn't have them last year. If he couldn't do well on that trash rotation of receivers, how could he benefit us?
     
  2. themorey

    themorey Well-Known Member

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    It seems as though he fits his NFL.com draft profile:

    Weaknesses
    Play strength is a major concern. Struggles to free himself from press coverage and can be taken completely out of his routes. Runs sloppy, rounded routes. Fails to set up his breaks and frequently leads cornerbacks to his destination. Slow to adjust routes and find open space against zone. Fails to create the separation that is potentially available for him at top of routes. Rarely looks to body up cornerbacks and keep them out of the throw. Suspect work ethic. Awareness of footwork near sideline an issue. Considered a problem child at Missouri. Suspended twice by Missouri and arrested twice for marijuana-related incidents. Kicked off team at Missouri in April 2014 after details of his alleged role in an alleged burglary were released by Columbia, Mo., police. He allegedly shoved a female student down some stairs during the alleged incident, but no charges were filed. Missed entire 2014 season.
     
  3. Zach

    Zach Well-Known Member

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    I took the opinion above at face value, but it looks like he shouldn't be coming to New York. [I shouldn't be taking the opinion of others at face value either. Usually I find some contrasting evidence whenever i dig up the dirt myself.] Unless he shows he is a changed man [a la ASJ] he shouldn't be touched even with 10-feet pole.

    Seriously, I can give him free pass for any hiccups - especially with techniques. Mental problems? Not a chance. If the locker room leaders like Brian Dawkins can't talk sense into his thick skull, probably nothing ever will. Stay away.

    TL: DR

    Once a trash, always a trash.

    https://www.bleedinggreennation.com...s-dorial-green-beckham-bryce-treggs-nightlife
     
  4. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    Smith was a 1000 yard WR who is also a proven starter in the NFL. he's been a starting WR for the past 6 years? and got a decent contract from philly to start. the fact he rotted away for 2 years in the pitiful SF offense doesn't matter much hence the reason he was signed so fast. Agholar is a former 1st round pick from philly a few years ago, sure he has sucked so far but teams don't give up on 1st round picks that easy. Jeffrey and matthews are obviously more proven as well.

    Lets look at what we have
    Enunwa appears to be a rising star and is our defacto number 1 WR currently. He had a solid season for us last year starting out at number 3 and becoming a starter early on due to a decker injury. and for a few games our number 1. Still even at that he was drafted the same year as DGB and has pretty similar stats and that's our number 1 WR.

    Our number 2 is anderson and while he looked great last year, he is still an UDFA going into year 2 who hasn't been a starter save for 1 or 2 games.

    Then we have peake and marshall an UDFA and 7th round WR going into year 2. they looked good in pre season but didn't play or do a lot in the regular season. marhsall was benched for fumbling and suffered from drops and is also suspended for the 1st 4 games, but you think he is a better option then DGB?

    then we have 2 rookies one of which is hurt. a 3rd and 4th round pick.

    So again i ask, what is the harm of bringing in DGB to at least compete. if he doens't make the team, no harm no foul. If he does then it's all rewards for us

    as far as bad attitudes go, never heard that at all since he's been in the NFL, and as far as rebuilding he's 24 years old so fits the mold of a rebuilding team. a young cheap player with upside.

    You want to point out his 390 yards last year, but fail to mention that was the 2nd most on their team. He also had a better rookie year then anderson did for us and as a rookie led all the WRs on his team in yards.
     
  5. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    and he ignores that the bears a much more WR hungry team let goodwin walk and is ok with us signing him
     
  6. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    You know none of them are making the team outside of
    Quincy Enunwa
    Robbie Anderson
    Charone Peake
    Chad Hansen
    ArDarius Stewart
    Jalin Marshall

    maybe wilson has a shot as well. but you have to ask is DGB possibly better then at minimum peake, marshall, and goodwin. I think the answer is yes. He would also be tied for out most experienced WR. on top of that marshall won't count against the roster for the 1st month so we can carry an extra WR
     
  7. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    Look at his ability to go up and get the ball. tell me he doens't remind you a bit of brandon marshall (who was/is also a head case that got kicked off of 3 teams including the jets)

     
  8. The Waterboy

    The Waterboy Well-Known Member

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    So Smith is a proven starter who was rotting away on SF but when bringing up Anderson you make no mention of how bad the situation was on the Jets.

    The harm in bringing in DGB is you are bringing in a player who was picked #40 in the draft who was quickly jettisoned off his first 2 teams, possible bad attitude which you do not want in a young locker room. The #40 player in the draft, a player who would likely have been picked much higher had he not had so much baggage, does not get shown the door so quickly unless there is more to it than lackluster play.

    During the draft it was brought up how one team brought him in or a visit, they put him on the board and he was completely lost. Maybe he just never put the effort in to learn, could be another explanation for the #40 pick looking for his 3rd team in 3 years.

    Even if the teams have not come out and said anything, there is a reason, beyond his play, that he is without a team again. I'm all for 2nd chances but he already had his.

    Edit: After replying I saw the link Zach posted, this little bit tells all I need to read,
     
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  9. The Waterboy

    The Waterboy Well-Known Member

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    Marshall was a productive headcase though, you put up with a lot more when your receiver puts up 1300 yards his second season compared to 380 yards.
     
  10. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    The bucs gave up on ASJ and we brought him in, we brought in a QB who has had no sucess in the NFL and is 38. marshall was a productive head case for sure, but DGB can be one too. and he isn't even a head case. sometimes you need a dose of reality. some players revive themselves some don't. considering the risk on DGB is minimal there is no reason not to. I love anderson, i love eneunwa, i think peake was a steal in the 7th round, i mocked him to the jets in the 5th last year. but is that enough along with 2 rookies (one who is hurt) jalin marshall (who i've given up on, suspended 4 games got benched from returning punts/kicks, and suffered form drops) wilson (who was jettisoned by the bears who WR group is pitiful and is oft injured) and a bunch of camp fodder. at 24 years old and the vet minimum you cna't tell me he isn't already ahead of everyone on our roster except enunwa and maybe anderson? he would be out WR3 off the bat at minimum
     
  11. Zach

    Zach Well-Known Member

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    I'd agree that they need to pay the due diligence; and if they find him a changed man, all right. What's not to like?

    Just - DGB wasn't going to be that changed man as of this last spring - that is, after he was cut from Tennessee a year ago. That's the major difference between DGB and ASJ. Sure, Austin did have his problems and fuck-ups, but he did clear up his act by the time he tagged along here. I don't find anything of that sort from DGB. I don't think human beings change that fast either. My bet is, he will be another wasted potential.
     
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  12. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    ASJ was cut from TB mid season
    DGB was traded for a lineman because the coaches didn't like him in tenn. Philly spent big money on 2 new starting WRs in smith and jeffrey plus have their own in house high picks with matthews and agholar.

    We tried to trade richardson and couldn't, he's been a distraction, been suspended twice but I don't see anyone saying that we should cut him. and even when he played last season he got outplayed by wilk on one leg who had a bad season as well Maybe he is wasted potential but for a cheap one year prove it deal, on a rebuilding team in need of talent I don't see how it could do anything bad for us. Nobody can look at our WRs and think we are set. we have a bunch of potential but the only proven one is enunwa and he hasn't proved he can be a number one which he will have to be this year.
     
  13. bigbucks24

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    Several people are arguing that they think DBG will come in for vet minimum and if he doesn't work out, just cut him - no harm, no foul. That means that he would have to come in for a very short (1 year) prove it deal. If you were DBG's agent, and you trying to find him a prove it deal, would it be catching passes from McCown, Petty and Hackenberg? It just doesn't seem that the Jets are the ideal place for a WR to showcase their skills and parlay it into a long term, lucrative deal.
     
  14. TurkJetFan

    TurkJetFan Well-Known Member

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    ill pass on DGB. This is a case where there is ample evidence for us to know he simply isn't a very good WR.
     
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    MurrellMartin Well-Known Member

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    When your WR depth looks like as follows, no WR with the talent of DGB should be ignored. He should be brought in for at least a visit, in my opinion.

    #1: 70 career receptions
    #2: 42 career receptions
    #3: 19 career receptions
    #4: Rookie
    #5: Rookie
    * Jalin Marshall returns Week 5 @ Cleveland.
     
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  16. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    that's one way to look at it. another way is that on the jets he could push for a starting job. he has to beat out UDFA anderson going into year 2. on most teams he would be at best a 3rd or 4th and have stiffer competition. Maybe outside of the rams, but their QB situation isn't any better.
     
  17. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    Thank you! exactly my point.
     
  18. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    When your a 3rd year player looking for your 3rd team and passed through waivers with out getting claimed you are usually not that picky about who you should sign with. Just sayin
     
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  19. HomeoftheJets

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    The title of this thread should be changed to "Let's burn some more tires."
     
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  20. LongIslandBlitz

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    So tired of signing mediocre scrub tight ends that failed on another team.
     

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