Trade Muhammad Wilkerson?

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  1. playtowinthegame

    playtowinthegame Well-Known Member

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    Before the Wilkerson fans get upset, hear me out. Trade Muhammad and a 2018 conditional pick to the Cowboys for thier 1st rd pick in this year's draft. Addition by subtraction with Sheldon going back inside playing 3-technique defensive end in our 3-4 defense.

    Think outside the box here. Yes it's a gamble for sure, but like "they" say, no balls no glory.
     
  2. 101GangGreen101

    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    you aren't getting a first round pick with a dude that had played an entire season on 1 leg the season prior.
     
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  3. RubenDias

    RubenDias Well-Known Member

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    They got no cap room to absorb wilkerson contract.
     
  4. 4jetfans

    4jetfans Well-Known Member

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    I see the way your thinking outside the box with Big Mo but Richardson already has to much baggage with the 2 strikes and
    I think Big Mo will have something to prove this year,, Rather have him prove it with the Jets not Dallas
     
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  5. Poeman

    Poeman Well-Known Member

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    I'd trade everyone if i could...But Richardson first if possible
     
  6. playtowinthegame

    playtowinthegame Well-Known Member

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    Which other teams would be interested in trading for Wilkerson? Raiders?
     
  7. Martin&theJETS

    Martin&theJETS Well-Known Member

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    Mo Wilk is the face of the team.
     
  8. xxedge72x

    xxedge72x 2018 Gang Green QB Guru Award Winner

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    No wonder the Jets stink.
     
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  9. nicg4360

    nicg4360 Well-Known Member

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    After such a down year I don't know what team would take a flier especially with his over inflated contract. Yea he "might" prove to be worth it but he sucked last year and this league is not about what you have done but what have you done for me lately... Wilkerson has not done a whole hell of alot recently.
     
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  10. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    Oh HELL NO! That's not thinking outside the box, in fact, it's not thinking at all, but rather sheer craziness. I was willing to hear you out at least until I got to the point where you mentioned keeping Sheldon. That's just insane. He's a cancer, wants as much or more than Mo, and doesn't get as much pressure on opposing QBs as Mo does. He's not the type you want on a young, rebuilding team where you're trying to establish an identity. His great motor that I see some of you talking about, has not produced a lot. Even playing out of position, he should have produced more with his athleticism and motor.

    Mo may take some plays off and be late, but I think that's due more to the lax atmosphere his two HCs with the Jets have had and their lack of accountability and discipline, than it is a matter of Mo's character being bad. Richardson has bad character and is flat out stupid. They can't get rid of him soon enough.
     
  11. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    Bowles said that Mo was struggling to recover from the injury last season and that it takes 18 months to fully recover from an injury like Mo suffered. He further said that Mo was a "warrior" last season. I don't know whether that was BS or not, but I do know that in 2015, Mo had 64 tackles, 12 sacks and 7 passes defensed. Conversely, Richardson has never come close to getting either 12 sacks or 7 passes defensed. Those who are claiming that Richardson is the better player are flat out wrong imo.
     
  12. 101GangGreen101

    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    put some "respkect" on his name. 1 legged Mo still came out and played hard for 16 games.
     
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  13. Jake

    Jake Well-Known Member

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    Missing meetings is a bad look for a player as important as him. Especially the birthday thing, that was bad.
     
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  14. 101GangGreen101

    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    I agree, and that leadership role is no longer his. He's not getting that back. This is Leonard Williams defensive line now. Williams is the Michael Jordan [makes plays PERIOD / the leader] and Mo is Scottie Pippen [makes plays for others / does dirty work]. I look at the news and the order in which things transpired, I bet you Mo wasn't happy with how the rehabilitation process went.
     
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  15. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    The trade should be Mo for a conditional 2019 draft pick if it went down, based on Mo's best showing in 2017 or 2018 and it would be up to a 1st and floor of a 3rd. That's what would make sense for the Jets. Hard for the Cowboys to dick with the value in the deal if it was based on best of two seasons between now and 2019 and floored at a 3rd.

    The contract is a bad deal for the Jets. His cap number is $18M+ for the next 3-4 seasons at this point which is just WAAAAAAAY too much for a player of his caliber. WAAAAAAAY too much. No way to fix it either except to outright cut Mo after next year,($9M dead) or push the money out into future years (D'BrickTrap).

    Trade him now and get value.
     
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    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    I'd trade him for sure. Br4d do you think his current contract hinders the Jets ability to trade him or no?
     
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  17. playtowinthegame

    playtowinthegame Well-Known Member

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    If you take a closer look at Muhammad Wilkerson’s career, he’s really not a double digit sack guy.

    Muhammad Wilkerson’s Career Stats
    2011 - 16 games, 3 sacks, 2 passes defended, 35 tackles 14 assist, 1 safety
    2012 - 16 games, 5 sacks, 4 passes defended, 36 tackles, 33 assist
    2013 - 16 games, 10.5 sacks, 3 passes defended, 43 tackles, 20 assist
    2014 - 13 games, 6 sacks, 5 passes defended, 31 tackles, 25 assist
    2015 - 16 games, 12 sacks, 7 passes defended, 39 tackles, 25 assist
    2016 - 15 games, 4.5 sacks, 3 passes defended, 33 tackles, 25 assist

    Outside of 2 years during Wilkerson’s 6 year career with the Jets, he’s averaging the following:
    16 games, 4.63 sacks, 3.5 passes defended, 33.75 tackles, 24.25 assist

    Sheldon Richardson’s Career Stats
    2013 - 16 games, 3.5 sacks, 1 passes defended, 42 tackles, 35 assist
    2014 - 16 games, 8 sacks, 1 passes defended, 42 tackles, 24 assist, 1 safety
    2015 - 11 games, 5 sacks, 2 passes defended, 20 tackles, 15 assist
    2016 - 15 games, 1.5 sacks, 2 passes defended, 38 tackles, 24 assist

    If the Jets were to use Richardson right, he‘d be having career averages closer to his 2014 season than the following
    14.5 games, 4.5 sacks, 1.5 passes defended, 35.5 tackles, 24.5 assist

    With all that said, it’s my opinion that Richardson is better than Wilkerson. Used right Richardson is a beast. If Richardson works out, the Jets have Sapp II. If it doesn’t work out, they let him walk. Either way, the Jets will come away with more (Top 50) talent in the 2017 Draft by trading Wilkerson.
     
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  18. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    I hope not but it will take out of the box thinking to move any of the DL this year and the Jets really need to move one of them to support the build.

    The really overpaid one with the huge cap numbers is the logical candidate.
     
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    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    Without any shred of doubt Richardson is a dumbass but I believe there is merit to suggesting they hang onto him and try to trade Wilkerson instead. I think Richardson is more talented and more versatile and of course cheaper.

    no matter what though if:
    Harrison, Richardson, Wilkerson, Williams (all playing for peanuts)

    becomes just:
    Wilkerson w/ mega contract, Williams w/ mega contract pending
    (harrison, richardson walk in FA)
    WITH no playoff appearances and no trade assets.

    that is screwing up majorly. That is fumbling an embarrassment of riches. A trade needs to be made and probably should have been made before 2017
     
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  20. 101GangGreen101

    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    This contract was an extensive franchise tag. They can either get rid of him next year which seems to be the more logical situation should he not return to 2nd team all pro status or restructure and add years.

    You can't trade a player that played a season with a non fully recovered broken leg on a down year.

    You trade Sheldon and you make Mo a 1 tech NT role to open things up for Leonard and the outside speed rushers.

    I know y'all hate Mo, but to keep Sheldon sends the wrong message and Mo still had a better yr on 1 leg
     
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