All good reasons but the first reason shoukd be because the dude will be an absolute nightmare for d coordinators and a gronk like weapon
If you think a QB can be a FQB - and really, unless you possess one you're sure will be there for a number of years and you're just looking for "insurance", why else would you draft a QB - then taking him in the first round makes complete sense. In fact, waiting because some people don't agree with you that he's not FQB material shows no faith in your own ability to assess. In other words, a FQB is definitely WORTH a first round pick. I agree that college stats are almost meaningless, given the huge differences in teams played by the various players. There's really no way to equate them. So you need to evaluate the physical - and to the extent you can, mental and emotional - attributes of the players. This is why I discount the knocks against Mahomes and his playing in an "Air Raid" system - the stats he's racked up don't tell me he has great potential, it's what I've seen of his physical abilities, and how he reacts in games that excites me. Admittedly this is a very small sample, and I don't have a lot of other data to go on, but that's my assessment FWIW. Now because I don't have this other data, I can't be so certain that he's a FQB that I could give you the justification for taking him at 6, but if I was Macc, and had access to this info, and I believed he could be my FQB, I would take him at 6 and beleive that he's worth it.
I don't see why a pick being "Safe" is a good reason. If MAcc knows what he's doing, and believes in his ability, "safe" isn't an issue. But I do think taking Howard at 6 makes sense for your 2nd reason, as well as that he acts as an additional OL and can help pass protection and run blocking.
You know how many good tes are in this class right? They can be had until the 4th round. Im almost positive that in the history of the nfl the only te taken at 6 or higher was kellen winslow jr. Howard is a good blocker but his route tree is very limited. Most of his production in the receiving game is from 2 games. It makes no sense in taking him this high. If we were at 15 then sure, why not. Not at 6 though.
Personally, I don't think he's the FQB at all. He's a project that can play backyard ball, but that doesn't fly in the NFL. 2 years maybe you can fix all of that. TBH, if I draft Mahomes, I'll have him compete with Petty, or I would probably just cut Petty all together. This is because I don't think much of Petty and I want to upgrade the position in terms of depth. Mahomes is a project and a bigger one then Hackenberg. MAYBE you have something there. Mahomes IQ is really a question, we don't know how much he can do, he's a complete unknown outside of his amazing arm. It's known the Air Raid offense stat pads and doesn't use any true post snap analysis on the field. Tim Couch, Timmy Chang do you remember those QBs? BTW I have no issue in terms of you banging on the wall for this guy, you should continue to fight that good fight, I'm not hating on you man, I felt the same way about certain QBs in the past in Bridgewater, Derek Carr and Connor Cook. I had the same exact mind-set as you, but the QB came from a different style of playing.
No problem. We all have our opinions and are entitled to them. I appreciate your knowledge and thoughts, even if I don't always agree. In this case, I admit that you have a stronger case based upon the "pure" stats and hard evidence, and I can only counter with my gut feel based upon years of watching football. But I've been wrong too, and maybe my love for Mahomes is really just desperation. In any case, I don't think you have to be worried that my opinions will sway Macc to take Mahomes at 6, if at all. I've pretty much accepted that the prevailing "wisdom" means that he won't draft a QB that high this year, but given my belief that Hack and Petty are not FQB material, I still have hope that he can find one this year that's better than them.
I don't see scouts going to look at prospects in the first round with lousy stats. Or maybe that is how we get a Christian Hackenberg. Forget the stats let's just drive down to Happy Valley and look at this QB with the bad accuracy, bad footwork and crushed psyche. We can rebuild him we have the technology. Here hold this clipboard.
But are the Jets gonna feature the TE position this year? If they are I wouldn't mind at least two of them in the draft like the Pats had with Gronk and Hernandez. It would help the passing attack and running game. This draft has some depth at TE and our offense is in need of a overhaul.
To be clear, there is no such thing as a "safe pick" as all players can bust. There are so many factors that can lead to a bust. You just never know what you are going to get no matter how good the prospect looks. Having said that, I don't think there is anything wrong when looking at players and selecting them based on factors that could ultimately prevent them from busting. -When I look at OJ, I see a player who has all the athleticism needed to play the position and then some. -I don't see a past filled with previous injuries. -He has played in big games and has played extremely well in those games. -He has played against top competition. -He has played in a pro style offense that featured him as a receiver and blocker. None of the factors will ultimately prevent him from being a bust, but they do help him and he does project well to the NFL. This is why he is a safe pick. Picking a player who is safe just because they are safe would be bad, but the Jets would be drafting him to be a prime weapon in their offense and to fill a major need. People who see this as a reach, please...if he becomes an elite TE, there are numerous examples of this being a tremendous threat on really good teams in the NFL.
Drafting Howard doesn't preclude the Jets from taking another one later in this deep TE class. The Jets have the worst TE group in the entire NFL. Howard and another TE later would be a fantastic infusion where it is sorely needed.
I'd personally be most excited if Mahomes was the pick at 6 but I really don't think it's going to happen. If not it comes down to 4 players and 4 players only for me. Adams, Hooker, Williams, Howard.
They are working out every QB. Mitchell, Mahomes, Watson, Webb and Kizer. They should do their due diligence, but I don't think this means they will take a QB at 6 at all. Mac takes Mahomes @ 6, you need to be playing him probably at some point this season. Mahomes is far from ready. Literally career suicide for Mac.
While I like Mahomes better than any of the other QB prospects, and I have to admit it would be very exciting if the Jets took him, I agree that it would be career suicide to take him at #6. I wouldn't kill him immediately, and would wait to see what happened with Mahomes, but if Mac takes any QB at #6, that QB better start by at least midway into this season.
I think we are trading back... Browns 12 + 34 + 2018 2nd For Jets 6 They take Trubisky and add his name to that Jersey... We would have a shot at Ramczyk/OJ/Williams at #12 and at #34 we have a shot at Peppers/Adoree Jackson/Dawkins.
