Making a Splash in Free Agency

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  1. 101GangGreen101

    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    I wanted to express to you that safety is a need. Just go back and remember all of the times the Jets allowed 20+ pass plays down the field. I mean every game this year, it was pretty much the first play offenses did against the Jets defense.
     
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  2. nicg4360

    nicg4360 Well-Known Member

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    I to feel QB is not a priority this year but alot of posters feel otherwise. IF a trade down was possible it wouldn't be the worst thing to draft a Mahomes in the 2nd half of the first if he was there while acquiring additional picks. Just saying.
     
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  3. Mainejet

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    You knew it was just a matter of time, right?
     
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  4. NCJetsfan

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    I never heard/saw quotes to the effect of your bolded sentence. Please provide them. I think your attitude/perspective is totally wrong.
     
  5. Mainejet

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    No, it's not. But I must confess I could make a case to say just about everything Mac has done in regards to this team, have been poor moves. From FA right through the draft, vast majority bad moves. We are two years into this reclamation project that Mac and Toilet are spearheading and are currently no better than we were in 2014. In fact, I'd have to say that currently 2017 looks even more bleak than 2016 turned out to be?

    So tar and feather me all you'd like, but I know many already want Toilet fired and Mac cannot be very far behind.........
     
  6. Footballgod214

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    Ahhh got it. So Macc just needs to pick up a franchise QB in the FA market and we're all set.
     
  7. TwoHeadedMonster

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    Just bustin' your chops. Its all good.
     
  8. NCJetsfan

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    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...iams-has-four-contract-offers-including-jets/

    K’Waun Williams has four contract offers, including Jets
    Posted by Darin Gantt on February 21, 2017, 6:58 AM EST
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    There have been visits, and some other suggestions of interest in former Browns cornerback K’Waun Williams. But some teams have finally made tangible expressions of their desire.

    According to Darryl Slater of NJ.com, the Jets have offered the free agent corner a contract, one of four teams to do so.

    He also visited the Lions, and the Vikings, Dolphins and 49ers were reported to have some degree of interest. That leaves the door open for Mystery Team, the most active of free agent shoppers every season.

    The slot corner is expected to make a decision later this week.

    Williams didn’t play last season because of an ankle injury, and a disagreement over the treatment of it led to an end of his time with the Browns.
     
  9. Jetaho

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    This accurately summarizes our history of FA signings

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    I expect more of the same this offseason.
     
  10. You can't really hold $ close to the vest for too long anymore..with the cap floor implications as we saw 2 years ago.

    Just spend wisely. Enough of the inflated veteran contracts. Sign young guys across the board. 27..ideally 26 or younger. Anticipate a bidding war for their services..draw your line in the sand & have contigency in place.These guys don't need to be pegged as saviors..they just need to fit the culture & be productive.

    Jets secondary could not possibly be worse & the DB market seems to be pretty strong. It'd be really nice to go into the draft without that putrid back end hanging over our heads. Maybe then..we can concentrate on the offense for once.

    Trumaine/Boye/Jefferson at least gets us to a respectable level & maybe doable after the necessary cuts.
     
  11. Br4d

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    It's not about whether they can be competitive next year or not. It's about whether or not being competitive next year makes us a better or a worse team in the long-run and the answer to that one is most likely that it makes us worse.

    If we're ever going to get serious about winning a championship we need to set the table right to do that. So far we've made several surges upwards in the last 20 years and all of them have wound up crashing down within a year or two of the surge and that's because none of them had the table set right beforehand.

    We're always trying to hop into a Super Bowl window in the middle of the progression, by buying veteran free agents over a period of years and mixing them with a few good draft picks. That never works because the veteran free agents age out after a couple of years and then the wave ages out as a result over a few seasons.

    The way to make a run at a Super Bowl is to pick well in the draft over several seasons and *then* add a free agent or two to fill the holes that every team has over time. Then even if you miss a year in the window you still have a young-to-prime team with a few vets aging out instead of a prime-to-post prime team with just a few young players to give you continuity.

    We have it backwards and the reason we're in trouble over and over again is that we're trying to cheat our way into a real window and instead the window is slamming shut on our fingers over and over again.
     
  12. Jetaho

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    Exactly. This is what I tried to communicate in my post above, but you're better with using your words.
     
  13. grkmanga31

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    The lifeline of a franchise and its ambitions to be perennial super bowl contenders heavily relies on 3 main facets. Drafting well, having a HC that utilizes the talent available well, and having a franchise QB. A case can be made that the jets have none of those 3 things. Jets would need some amazing drafts, for Hackenberg to develop into a franchise QB, and for Bowles to improve drastically.

    As mentioned above, its not really about whether we will be competitive, it's about how success or failure will set us up for the long hall. This isn't a 1 year proposition, it's a look at the entirety of the franchise, the prospects of winning consistently.
     
  14. Lon Chaney

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    I think people are confusintg two separate points here.

    1. No team will be a perennial championship caliber team without a franchise qb. It doesn't matter what formula you create with the draft and free agency. Unless you have an elite qb, you will not compete for the super bowl year in and year out.

    2. Since we don't have a franchise qb, the team needs to try to win 9-10 games and make the playoffs and hope to make a run. Th jets have actually done a decent job of this.
     
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    1) even though it's rare, lets not forget the broncos have competed and won with QBs like tebow, siemien, oswieler, and a broke down manning.
    trent dilfer won a SB, joe flacco won a SB. the chiefs have been competing with alex smith. yes the bradys, rodgers, ryan, wilson, ben etc are a huge help but a franchise QB isn't everything. dan marino never won one, and doesn't look like rivers will either despite being a better QB then eli who won twice
     
  16. Br4d

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    The Jets have not done a decent job of winning a moderate number of games and making the playoffs since the Parcells talent base eroded.

    We did have the back-to-back years in 2009 and 2010 however that was a result of a major 3 year free agent/trade splurge from '07 to to '09 and we're working on a 6 year hangover at this point from all the short drafts and retired vet free agents from that era.
     
  17. Jeremy2020

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    Does this mean they're going to release Revis and then sign him to more money?
     
  18. Lon Chaney

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    The jets made the playoffs 7 times in 13 years from 98-2010. Sure, the last 6 years haeve been a disappointment , but in that time the team went 8-8 twice and 10-6.
     
  19. It's as if this ownership/front office is always trying to catch lightning in a bottle whenever we make some headway.The very second the roster takes an upward turn...we're prematurely mortgaging the immediate future on anything closely resembling "the final piece". While most of us say we just want that 1 championship in our lifetimes...I don't think this fan base wants to sell the team's future short for the 1 year window..regardless of how stacked they feel the roster is.

    It's beginning to seem like the only way the jets will have ANY success...is by accomplishing sustained success w. a team built the right way & stable for at least a 5 year period.

    I'm not sure building that way is even possible w.o a QB in place. Too much of the scheme dynamics & chemistry is contrigent on it fitting an identity..which typically falls back on the QB.

    Now maybe the time to hone in on Trubisky & Watson. Neither are slam dunks..but both possess the upside to be franchise QBs..and at this point that is by far the team's biggest need...and the most logical starting point of a meaningful rebuilding project w. true direction.
     
  20. Br4d

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    So before the Parcells talent base eroded, in 2005 or so, the Jets made the playoffs 4 times in 7 years. They went 9-7 or better 5 times in 7 years.

    Since then the Jets have made the playoffs 3 times in 12 years. They went 9-7 or better 5 times in 12 years.

    Since the last time the Jets made the playoffs in 2010 they have gone 9-7 or better ONCE in 6 years.

    It's not working any more. It hasn't worked for a long time. In truth it didn't really work all that well after 2004. The Jets got insanely lucky in terms of their competition losing out at the end of 2009 without which they'd never have made the playoffs, let alone the AFC Championship game.

    Really the only good Jets season since 2004 was 2010. That's a single really good season out of the last dozen since the Parcells talent base wasted away, exposing the Jets horrible college talent evaluation skills in the post-Parcells years. You can only live off of Darrelle Revis for so long and that ended in 2011. It's been 6 seasons since them of OMG what the heck is going on with this team and why do they keep drafting terrible prospects?
     

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