I agree. Also keep in mind that to comply with the 89% rule Mac had to spend all of our cap space in 2016 because of poor planning by idzik which meant he had to find what value there was available in FAs. He list out on the 1st 2 guards on his list. As the Jets were not a desire able location. The trade for Marshall and the Revis signing gave the jets some credibility and made other signings easier. It is hard to get value in FA and the position the Jets were in 2016 being forced to spend all their money while having an awful roster was an awful position to be in. It really speaks to the incompetencey and unpreparedness of Idzik.
I'm curious to how the staff feels about Shell. In limited snaps he played pretty damn well. If they are comfortable with him next year, 80% of the line is set. With LT not really being worth it at 6, seems like a lock we take one in the second. Glad the team is being proactive. However, there are a lot of cuts that need to be made for me to be happy. Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk
Winters has one solid season under his belt,ONE. Anybody remember Chris Childs? Cant wait to see what the garunteed money is.
i'm guessing its like 18m guranteed. that would essentially make it a 2 year deal, which seems to be mac m.o.
2 years and millions upon millions of dollars later and the secondary is worse. Macc botched that big time. Revis, Skrine, Gilchrist, all huge contracts, all terrible
I'm happy we got a solid part of our line back but it was at a cost. It is true he likely would have gotten the 8 mill or more had he made it to free agency. Regarding this being his only good year we'll yea he's young and improving and can still improve and you have to take chances sometimes. Pretty sure fitz was a huge gamble many were happy to take knowing it was a gamble...It did not work out as many expected but we had to try.
I wasn't a huge fan of the Brian Winters selection myself, he was pretty bad to start his career, but we had to realize he wasn't a guard in college. Huge transition for him. Hopefully he can continue to improve and get to that pro bowl level. He's improving each year. Offense is in shambles right now cause we don't have a coordinator, personnel wise not TOO bad, but we need a decent coordinator and I am worried about that right now. I think the Jets can rebuild the secondary this off-season if they really want to put forth the effort.
Something else that will help improve winters would be......Some other solid offensive lineman. One bad lineman can make the others look bad to. Hopefully this gets addressed via draft and FA.
He'd have gotten more as a free agent because 3+ teams would have been bidding on him. He may be seen as a mistake in a couple of years but parking the money on him this year was not a bad idea. Hopefully the Jets get Enunwa done also during the cap purge.
Gotta see how the money is structured before we get all twisted at the $8m per year number. Could be total $32mm but structured 5-5-11-11 with most of the guarantees in the first couple years for all we know.
I agree with this sentiment. I am not a big fan of Winters but you are right if they let him test the waters he would've been even more expensive. Teams are just crazy in FA. So from that standpoint it was good to get him locked up. You run the risk of losing him completely or having to pay something absurd just to keep him. The offensive line needs upgraded but its nearly impossible to replace everything. If you let Winters walk and release Mangold then you have to find 2 tackles, a guard and a center in one offseason. That's way too much. at least this way the guards are in place and they can focus on just on tackles. While deliberating over paying Mangold vs. rolling with Johnson at center
Continuity is good too. But yeah losing Winters would have meant keeping Mangold at full price and replacing everybody else but Carpenter before 2017. As it is the Jets potentially have the interior of the offensive line set for next season and are just looking to replace the LT through the draft and let the young guys fight over RT again. Then you replace RT the year after if they all fail and you're looking at either a RG or C coming up as Mangold retires, with Winter's position dictating the draft pick.
I'm really hoping they don't get fancy and just walk to the podium and take Cam Robinson in the first round. Robinson and Carpenter together would make the left side a power running side and that would be a unique wrinkle there, opening up opportunity for draws, zone rushes and the like. Then they could sign a veteran swing tackle in FA. He would provide some stability in case the young guys can't hack it at RT or if Robinson struggles in pass pro his rookie year this swing tackle could play the left side while Robinson plays the right... but I don't think Robinson will struggle that much
Winters has absolutely improved from the trash he was early in his career. But I think you're nuts if you think he was "Solid" or "Average" this year. Winters looked better than he is because defenses are attacking even weaker points on the line. He was simply better than Johnson or any of the guys who lined up at RT. If you're a DT or DE and you have the option of taking on "Mr. Below Average" or "Mr. Needs a Lot of Work to be Backup Quality" in order to make a play, you go for the sure thing over the simply probable.
And that said NT is a 2 down player....the RG is a 4 down player on the strong side of the line (usually the power running side). Apples and oranges bud. But try and spin it any way you'd like....
We got solid play out of them last year. Mac can't have foreseen that Revis' skills and play would vanish overnight. Because of that, Bowles tried playing Skrine on the outside where he is not as effective. That's a big part of the problem right there. Gilchrist was never all that, but he was the best FS available at the time. As Noam said, Mac had to spend a ton of money in FA to satisfy the league. The FAs and their agents knew that, plus the Jets were not a desirable location. If the contracts were so awful, how is it that Mac wrote most of them so that he could get out of them within a year or two with little or no dead money on the cap?
Excellent post, this is the perfect scenario, if the jets can bring back Mangold on a restructured deal and Shell pans out, they can hire an OC who is balanced and emphasizes the run, then this oline could make it very easy to develope a young QB.
Skrine, Revis, and Gilchrist were brought in to stop the bleeding. It worked. Remember when the Jets won a bunch straight last year and barely missed a playoff spot in week 17? None of that could have happened without those guys. Unfortunately, the Jets are left with big nasty clotted bloody bandages with scabs growing into them. It's not a situation anyone wanted to be in, but nobody could have foreseen that it would all fall apart so quickly.
