Worst to First Candidates (Jets # 7)

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  1. NYJetsO12

    NYJetsO12 Well-Known Member

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    Yes ...Yes...Yes

    If I was an owner I would START with GOOD MANAGEMENT....Especially the CS

    Plenty of talent to be found ...Plenty to also develop

    But if your Managers are putzes its all a waste

    Especially so today with high priced players

    The reason Maras 200 million spent on the Giants last year is paying off is because of wise decisions by his GM and HC

    I always thought Casserly and Wolf got it half right cause Mac is a good (not great GM) but Bowles is a piss poor Coach
     
  2. PennyRoyal10

    PennyRoyal10 Well-Known Member

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    I recognize this is hindsight, but I had/have no problem with the Dynamic Duo helping Woodrow find a GM, but their input should've ended when that person was in place. The fact that they had to move on Quinn and Bowles as quickly as possible was a detriment to finding the right guy to fit Mac's philosophy. There shouldn't have been a parallel search for GM/Coach, those things should've been done independently with the GM getting hired and in turn he be allowed to hire the person to fit his vision. Instead, Woody basically recreated the same flawed reporting structure that he had with Idzik and Rex. Unreal...
     
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  3. HomeoftheJets

    HomeoftheJets Well-Known Member

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    The Broncos D won them the SB last year, Peyton was horrible. Also the 2014 Seahawks defense carried them to their championship.
     
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  4. TwoHeadedMonster

    TwoHeadedMonster Well-Known Member

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    I wasn't really talking about cap space. I meant opportunity investments. Marshall cost us a 5th round pick. Forte, Clady, and Carpenter were not exactly top-tier free agents--the top teams weren't lining up to sign these guys. Our biggest offensive investments in the last several years have been Decker, a slew of dud second round picks, and Mark Sanchez. Once a guy is on your team, GMs and Cap gurus can play all kinds of games with the actual money and cap space.

    I really can't be upset at the offense's performance when I look at that.

    The counter is that all those opportunity investments went to our defense, and it sucks anyway. THAT is very upsetting.
     
  5. NYJetsO12

    NYJetsO12 Well-Known Member

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    Yes Again

    Search Committee to replace Owner please

    People think Joe Namath has a deal with the devil that causes us problems..insane

    Look no further than Band Aid Johnson
     
  6. NYJetsO12

    NYJetsO12 Well-Known Member

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    Peyton Manning, HOF QB with screws in his neck, was serviceable for the Broncos and about 10000 time better than the crap we have here at QB

    Hmmm...M Lynch and Russel Wilson had nothing to do with the success at Seatle ??? oh wait could have been that 12th Man lol
     
  7. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Awesome post, thank you.

    Tired of the narrative that Macc just HAD TO spend that money last year so every signing was a no-brainer and then the Forte and Clady signings this year were necessary.

    Macc may be halfway decent at finding talent, but he's not a good negotiator at all from what we've seen so far. Yeah, he did limit the life of some of the gaudier contacts, but when you're forced to spend money, you can do it intelligently.

    Some of it may and probably is Mole-Rat Woody's fault because I'm sure his self-esteem is directly linked to Jets headlines, but signing 3 corners for 127mil in contacts for a headline is pretty sad, especially considering how little those 3 produced.

    Then there were the Lee, Fitz and Mo negotiations. They were all head-scratchers and only one of them made any sense in the end.

    Macc is a child in the negotiation room. He's a scout. He needs more help than he's getting in negotiations.
     
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  8. HomeoftheJets

    HomeoftheJets Well-Known Member

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    Did you watch the Broncos games last year? Peyton threw almost twice as many INTs as TDs and got benched for Osweiler. In the SB he did his best to do nothing and let the D win the game. And he still turned the ball over.

    The Seahawks O was alright in 2014, but the D was incredible. Replace their O with an average O and they're still SB conrenders. Do the same with their D and they're just another team.
     
  9. NYJetsO12

    NYJetsO12 Well-Known Member

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    I see... and your point is what??

    Have an average O and overwheliming D and 32 teams will experience success ????? lmao

    Also this year Denver went 9-7 with T Simion ,a fairly average QB backed by their SB defense, and missed the playoffs to 2 offensive machines Oakland and KC...

    I would not say having Russel Wilson on the Seahawks "average", are you kidding?.... he makes them above that imo

    Look.... the Jets have spent millions trying to create a dominant D and where has that got us?...Back to square one
     
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  10. NYJetsO12

    NYJetsO12 Well-Known Member

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    Speaking of hindsight

    Quinn was the pick..if he was asked wonder why he said no to Jets ...but we know the answer
     
  11. HomeoftheJets

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    My point is you can win with defense. The reason we failed isn't because we tried to win with defense; it's because our coaches and GMs were bad, and our QB play was uniquely horrible. Also, KC wasn't an offensive machine this year; they're good on both O and D. And Russell Wilson is better now than he was in 2013-2014.
     
  12. Carpetbagger

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    Pitchers and catchers report next month...that's all I'm excited for in 2017 sports world.
     
  13. TwoHeadedMonster

    TwoHeadedMonster Well-Known Member

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    You can absolutely still win with defense in this league.

    You cannot, however, win in this league by throwing away draft pick after draft pick on dumb trades, long-shot projects, and combine superheros.

    --a lot of the Jets shitty draft strategy comes from the fact that they have tried to be a "Win Now" team every year for the last decade and a half. That's not how it works.
     
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