Here we are again...

That's why if Peake and Anderson can turn into #2 and #3 receivers, Deon Simon takes over at nose tackle, Mauldin/Jenkins can combine for 12-15 sacks next year, and Shell & Miles can become at least an average pair of starters we're in OK shape.

Lee also NEEDS to be a playmaking linebacker.

Let's say Mauldin and Jenkins flop and Shell turns into Wayne Hunter, we're in big fucking trouble.

 

mauldin this year has 16 tackles and 2.5 sacks. 1 freaking tackle per game. last year he was up and coming with his 6.5 sacks but i just dont see him being anything more than another player, definitely not a game changer at this point.

lee is terrible, he is entirely too small and gets blocked consistently. he has no ability to fight through or off a block and always picks a side. he would be better at safety than he is at lb. especially on run downs.

there are lots of ifs and thus far the early returns dont show me much of anything. i wish i felt differently but i can only tell you what im seeing, and its not good.

 

I don't think you can pin the Chinese fire drill that is today's Jets D on those two. Not one guy out there seems to know what the guy next to him is doing. The problem is the collective disorganization, and that falls on the coaches. I'd bet anything Belichick and Patricia would get 8 wins without a single change - well okay, moving Revis out. But only that.

 

What younger, better players did Mac pass up on? Remember that he tried to sign both of the top two FA OGs, and they didn't want to live/play on the east coast. Also remember that Mac had to spend a TON of money that season. He wasn't going to be able to do that by signing a bunch of younger, cheaper players. He had to sign some big contract players. The secondary was awful. He wanted to give the team some immediate legitimacy and competitiveness and he did that.

Yes, replacing 6 starters is a tall order, but that's not on Mac. That's on all the holes that Tanny and Idzik left. No experienced GM (Ozzie Newsome, Reggie McKenzie, whomever) could have come in and fixed this roster in 2 years. Anyone who thinks differently is delusional imo.

 

well according to one prominent top ten list (not sure if its NFLN or ESPN) we are the 9th most snakebit organization....

LOL come to think of it, we even screwed that up. We really should be higher.

 

The situation at QB and OL is what depresses me the most. HOW will that ever get fixed in one offseason? It can't be. It appears as though the Jets may have no other option than to go Browns for a few seasons? In other words, accept a terrible QB as your leader and a whole bunch of retreads on the rest of the team? It's going to be rough for a few seasons.

Really, I do see one way this can work, but it's going to take lots of luck. Trade Sheldon for a Tackle, trade DOWN and out of the 1st round, stock pile 2nd and 3rd's, then select a mass of QB, CB, OL, TE. Now, obviously you will not get all of those needs filled, but a few should be addressed. Utilize FA to get a few stud players that are also leaders. This team is sorely lacking leaders.

 

Let's not act like Revis and friends were the only free agents on the market the past two years. He signed Gilchrist, Carpenter and Skrine to have longer term futures on this roster. That's not a very convincing trio especially considering Carpenter graded negatively in the run game and Gilchrist is a converted corner who played strong safety nearly his whole career in San Diego and Skrine was a glorified slot corner.

Maccagnan's drafting has been way better than his free agency signings and his drafting hasn't been very good.

 

Bowles is the worst in-game coach I have ever witnessed, even worse than Rex Ryan, who "calls" a timeout this week to ice the kicker AFTER the ball is snapped.

 

I'm not acting like they were the only two FAs. I just asked for some specific names instead of all the generalities. I wanted some of the players you mentioned. We have no idea if Mac contacted their agents and they didn't want to play for the Jets, wanted too much money, or Mac showed no interest in them.

Orakpo had a bad injury history and was expensive. I wanted McPhee. I would like to know if Mac had any interest in him or tried to sign him. Crabtree had pretty much been a bust at that point. If memory serves me correctly, he had been injured a lot and hadn't done much in the NFL.

House was a CB I had interest in. So was Sam Shields. Other teams were signing FAs too, and their situations were more appealing, and perhaps they were offered more money there.

It's easy to cherry pick names in hindsight. Ultimately, it matters more who he did and didn't sign, and how the players he signed worked out, but I would be very interested to know who Mac wanted to sign and tried to sign, but was unable to.

 

I understand it's all hindsight, but the point is that Maccagnan signed a bunch of stopgaps entering their thirties rather than getting creative in trying to sign younger players to build a future around. It was straight out of the Tannenbaum school of thought.

We're back in the same exact position we were prior to hiring Maccagnan with equal or less talent on the roster after all the cuts. It's going to be interesting to see how he's learned from his mistakes.

Some players we should target:
OLB Melvin Ingram (27)
RT Riley Reiff (28)
RT Menelik Watson (28)
G/T Byron Bell (28)
TE Jack Doyle (26)
TE Mychal Rivera (26)
CB Josh Robinson (25)
CB AJ Bouye (26)
CB Dre Kirkpatrick (27)
ILB Zach Brown (27)
ILB AJ Klein (25)
FS Bradley McDougald (26)

Edit: I'm going to add some names just posting before I lose the post on my phone.

 

Hey man, everyone is looking for better OT's. Even the Broncos are, and they won the SB last year. So I wouldn't pin my hopes on anything other than drafting someone you can make into a competent lineman. So I think, rather, the "fix" has to come from within, which requires a competent coaching staff ... and around and around it goes ...

 

Those band-aid signings were the reult of the "we're a this year team" groupthink/illusion. And now that we've seen the emperor in fact has no clothes, I don't think we're even a "this decade" team. So I'm in favor of just biting the bullet and starting the rebuild process sooner than later. Not bumping it down the road a piece at a time.

 

I'll say this, if Mac wanted the older players rather than going with younger players and "competitive rebuild" was solely his idea, then I'll agree with you, and I'll criticize him and probably want him gone. I don't believe that there is any evidence to support that, however. IMO I think it was a combination of having to spend the requisite amount the team had to spend in FA, and what Woody and Bowles wanted. I believe that Mac tried to get players that Bowles wanted and would feel comfortable with. I think that's one reason Mac didn't attempt to sign Sam Acho who was a FA OLB Acho was 26. Bowles knew him from the Cardinals and evidently didn't want him. I don't think the Jets would have ever reached the amount they needed to spend by signing those younger, cheaper players.

MIke Iupati was 27 and Mac tried to sign him. I can't remember if Orlando Franklin or Clint Boling was the other OG that Mac tried to sign. Franklin was 27 and Boling was 25. Carpenter was Mac's 3rd choice.

Gilchrist wasn't that expensive, but had a great deal of flexibility, having played CB, SS and FS in the NFL. Bowles sang Gilchrist's praises. I believe that Bowles had a lot of input on which FAs Mac went after.

I also agree that if Mac doesn't sign younger and cheaper FAs this time instead of the older, more expensive ones, then it will be a big mistake and evidence that he doesn't get it and should be fired.

 

If they keep Bowles, dont expect to build this team through free agency. The top FA's will want nothing to do with these Jets.

The coach needs to be fired. Personnel issues aside, this has been an undisciplined sloppy team since week one and it's only getting worse. The veterans like Marshall, Revis and Richardson are becoming distractions because they don't respect the coach. They are poisoning the spirit of the young guys, as evidenced by Williams post game comments.

Keep Mac, he seems to be able to pick serviceable prospects in the later rounds like Peake and Shell and UFA's like Anderson. And he is smart enough to pick BPA in the first round taking Williams. And his contracts have been manageable.

The Jets will have $50 mio to spend. Because of that, they need to bring in a marquee coach that can draw his type of players. I don't know if that is Caughlin, Chuckie, or someone else.

 

his job is to get them to sign on the line which is dotted, if he wanted them and didnt sign them then he didnt do his job.

the guys he has brought in are not any good. he hasnt added anything useful to the team he has let guys he should have kept leave.

 

I can't help but laugh. This is is an absolute disaster. We need change and it should start with the owner. If not we'll be right back in this mess again in 2yrs.

 

You hit the nail on the head-- no free agent worth anything will join the Todd Bowles comedy show. Guys punching teammates in the locker room, guys snapshotting before games. guys late for meetings, players calling out other players' efforts, not to mention bowles' terrible game decisions--who would want to join the todd bowles circus???? ONLY BY ADDING A COACH who isn't the joke of the league do the jets have any chance of attracting real talent. Keep Bowles and every team will laugh a pencil in a "W" for themselves when the new schedule is released!!!!

 

You're just looking for a quick and convenient target to blame. It's not that simple. First, the GM has a budget to work within because there's a salary cap. Think Yogi: "If the people don't want to come out to the ballpark, how ya gonna stop 'em?" If a player doesn't want to play for the Jets, he doesn't have to no matter what they offer. I'll bet there's a lot more than on player who decided he didn't want to be part of this current circus side show.

 

much like after '95 the team is prepped to tank next year. cut all these vets play the kids and position for best Qb avail in 18. this may tempt a quality guy to step in before that draft.



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