Green Bay certainly seems to have had their share: Bart Starr, Lynn Dickey, Don Majkowski, Brett Favre, and Aaron Rodgers. The Colts have been pretty lucky as well: Johnny Unitas, Bert Jones, Jeff George, Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck. The Niners haven't been too shabby with YA Tittle, John Brodie, Steve DeBerg, Joe Montana, Steve Young, Jeff Garcia and Alex Smith. The Broncos fared pretty well also: Craig Morton, John Elway, & Peyton Manning. They've also had guys like Brian Griese, Jake Plummer, Jay Cutler and Kyle Orton, who are better than most of the QBs in our history. If there are truly many ways to find a good QB, the Jets FO has seemed truly oblivious to them. Perhaps you ought to let them in on the secret.
Did you just refer to Dicky and the Majic Man as franchise QBs? You clearly have far more loose standards than I do. For me, a franchise guy is a franchise guy. A guy you build the franchise around for the better part of a decade, who can get you to a SB on just their arm. Talking Mannings, Bradys, McNabbs, Brees, Favres, Elways, Montana's, Youngs.... not Majic Man and Jeff Garcia. Those are in-betweeners. Nothing wrong with that, my whole post was praising in-betweeners and how you can win with them.
Chad was the man. My favorite Jet. He was my first taste of the Jets fan base being complete moron assholes. They did not know what they had in Chad. Then completely trashed his heart of a champion when he would be out there fighting, but his body just was not up to the task. However, he did go to Miami and win 11 games with a team that won only 1 a year before. He will always be a legend to me!
IMO there's a difference between a franchise QB and a HOFer. IMO a franchise QB is someone who is a quality starter for you and who will hold that spot for you for 7-10 years or more. Dickey and Maj weren't at the level of Manning (Peyton) or Brady, but were certainly good enough to win and be above average starting QBs. They were franchise QBs imo. With better teams around them both Dickey and Maj could have won SBs.
KOB was a wuss. There was a game against Miami & he was on the 5 yd line & saw he was going to get hit so he dropped to the ground instead of pushing on to the EZ.. I guess U have forgotten that play
Perhaps you forgotten the Nine games he beat against Dan Marino versus the eight he lost? I defy you to name one other quarterback that played as well as Ken O'Brien did against Dan Marino-led Dolphins teams.
There's no concensus way you develop a QB, and what works for 1 QB won't work for another. and ther can be so many variables, from the players that play with them to the coaches that coach them. The bottom line is wither the QB is going to be good, or he's not, and it's up to the QB. Luck could not be in a worse situation. his team would be 0-16 without him, yet he's still a good player.
I would hardly call Kenny O , a wuss. He was a fucking timex watch. He took in consecutive years 62, 40, 50, 37 and 50 sacks. 62 sacks in his second year and still played 8 more years. Of course if he threw the ball away once in a while he could have avoided that, but he took a licking and kept on ticking.
I think calling Richard Todd a success is a lot more controversial than O'Brien personally. Todd had two good years and was crap the rest of the time, a slightly better version of Sanchez.
Todd was like Mark Sanchez with the early success of the team around him only to crash and burn... .I heard they did a segment awhile back on Todd and the only memorabilia he has in his house of his NFL playing days is a small 5 X 7 photo of Jets fans pelting him with snow after a loss. Idk if that story is true or not but I heard it
If you had taken the constant pounding he did, you'd have been running to the sidelines or hitting the dirt a lot sooner than O'Brien did.
I still remember O'Brien being benched one week, I believe for Pat Ryan. Ryan got hurt in the game and as Kenny was coming onto the field, Marv Albert said, "And here comes Ken O'Brien for his weekly beating."
Chad was a winner because of what was between his ears, and between his jersey numbers. He was a tenacious competitor, humble and dignified win or lose. His arm died on him long before the compete inside him did. People who speak poorly of him don't know shit about football.
