Tanking?

The draft is a crap shoot, but the odds of of getting a franchise changing player are better with a high pick.

 

Your odds increase greatly of getting an impact player if you draft in the top 5 and you have a GM who's worth his salt. Furthermore, it's those picks in rounds 2-4 that separate the good GM's from the bad. The verdict is still out on Mac.

 

At this stage, let the "kids" play, and if that means losing, oh well........ as long as they win one more:

A game that knocks Miami out of the playoffs

 

The big thing that people also sometimes forget to account for is that a top 5 pick also gives you what almost amounts to a late first rounder with your 2nd round pick. You can even trade back into the first round with it.

 

If there was a franchise like QB then yea but there isn't so it really doesn't matter.

Gonna be drafting in the top 10 most likely so its w.e.

 

That's the argument people here used in 2015. Had they "tanked" in 2014 or fired Rex earlier, we likely end up with Mariota . I'm 100% sure that would have made the franchise better.

 

Go back and look at some draft history. For example, from 1990 to 2010, the player who would go on to have the best career was drafted in the top 5 overall a whopping SIX times in that 20 year period. That's including 2007 where you have to decide if Calvin Johnson (2nd overall), Joe Thomas (3rd), Adrian Peterson (7), or Darrelle Revis (14) is the best player from that draft.

Over that period, the number of top 5 picks who even had a decent career is pretty pathetic-- maybe 22 out of 100.

There are a lot more Jeff George, Mike Croel, Heath Shuler, Robert Gallery, and Mark Sanchez picks out there than there are Calvin Johnson, LaDanian Tomlinson, Marshall Faulk, Orlando Pace and Peyton Manning picks.

The average draft position of the "best player" across that 20 year period is 18.6. Obviously that's subjective, but tell me you would draft Russell Maryland over Brett Favre if you had the #1 pick in 1991. Or that you'd pick Courtney Brown over Tory Holt in '99. If we could redraft 2010, I assure you Rob Gronkowski wouldn't get passed over 41 times, and certainly not for Sam Bradford or Trent Williams.....

What's the point of all this-- everyone is happy to admit that the draft is a crapshoot, but few really pay attention to how bad NFL teams really are at craps.

 

In hindsight, are you happy that the Jets beat the Titans late in the 2014 season?

 

I don't have a problem with it. Leonard Williams is a fantastic player. Sorry he doesn't live up to your lofty expectations.

 

Draft is a crapshoot.
Better to be lucky than good.



Also better to be lucky than to tank.

 

we are neither...

 

Neither lucky nor better.

 

Not necessarily.

The Jets could use the next two or three drafts to build an amazing offensive line, then use free agency to fill in the skill positions.

Teams don't have to tank to rebuild. As a matter of fact, those that do tank most often continue to suck.


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I have a problem with it. Leonard Williams is as good of a player you can possibly expect to draft. The problem is, we got a guy who we get to look at and call a "bright spot" on a terrible team whereas the Titans got a guy who transformed theirs. All because we won a matchup of 2-12 teams where none of the players or coaches are still here less than 2 years later.

You can bottom out and get your guy, or you can stay a middling team and get guys you can look at and say "hey the Jets suck, but at least ____". I would kill for Mariota right now.

 

So tell me---who are we tanking for this year? Who is that guy?

 

Tanking doesn't always lead to anything, especially if a team is unable to use the great draft spot to acquire better talents. Jets have screwed up the traditional means of tanking and subsequently missed out on two franchise QB's in Jameis Winston and Mariota (I preferred Mariota), and to this day watching Mariota pains me because I think he could have provided a cool and calm this team hasn't had at QB in a very long time. But that's besides the point, IMO jets will be tanking regardless. Jets will not win more than 2 games the rest of the season IMO. Whether they had Petty or Fitz we simply aren't a good football team. But people are concerned with the quality of tanking.

When you view the prospect of winning say another game or two you would prefer younger players who don't have a clear cut future with the team to play major minutes in order to garner their roles going forward. When you play the tried and true veterans you almost lose valuable experience. In this respect, Fitzpatrick is the most glaring example of wasted space and experience being wasted. The team has made it clear that they do not want to rush Petty or Hack, but you also send an awful message when you don't invest more reps in practice and game time to them. Petty should be starting, hack should be number 2, and fitz should be a third string QB made inactive on game days.

Bowles will most likely look back on yesterday's post practice press conference with regret if he's let go at season's end

 

Agreed 100%. While I am completely opposed to tanking games for draft position, I am an enthusiastic supporter of sitting (or even cutting, if it's helpful at all) veterans who aren't going to be around next year in favor of younger players who need to be evaluated and further developed. I just think that if you're going to put those guys in there, you need to do everything you possibly can to WIN with them in there.